cam shaft replacing

[Warren]

Able

Get an old screwdriver say a six inch flat bladed one, bend the shaft (just above the flat) to 45 degrees, then bend the tip 6mm from the end to 90 degrees.

The point of the screwdriver then can be put into the lifters circlip groove and slowly lift up

too easy

Oh by the way, that will cost ya $80


Warren

[able]

thanxs warren!

ill make it up and when im finished with it ill hang it next to my poor mans break adjuster

that $100 one must have been gold plated!

[John Abbott]

Able..Just remember if you are going to lift up with a screwdriver try and make sure that you lift it up straight not on an angle otherwise it might break the lifter!

[able]

im starting to pull apart the 202 to get to everything...

i took off the existing stock manifold and lined up my vk efi manifold ( just to see how it will sit) and by the look of it i might have to cut some out of the corner of the engine tunnel....

perhaps just the corner and then plate it flat...

is this legal and will it pass road worthy without having to go to a engineer? (vic)

i suppose i will have to cut a a slot down the engine cover and wield in a bump with half/whole inch gap? or would i be able to heat and panel beat the engine cover?

i can supply a pic to show what i mean looking down the motor from the front with the manifold inline?

[able]

alright...

how do you get stubborn lifters out?

they will pop up about 1-1.5 centimeters and then they will budge no more....

 

[Mr Whippy]

LOL,

When I replaced my cam one lifter was such a little BUGA to get out I snapped the top edge off it flush with the lifter gallery. Then I pulled the guts out of it and tried pulling it out with my biggest set of circlip pliers, still wouldnt move. So  pulled the sump off and bashed it out from underneath, mission accomplished
Its a method of last resort but it works.

[able]

LOL,

When I replaced my cam one lifter was such a little BUGA to get out I snapped the top edge off it flush with the lifter gallery. Then I pulled the guts out of it and tried pulling it out with my biggest set of circlip pliers, still wouldnt move. So  pulled the sump off and bashed it out from underneath, mission accomplished
Its a method of last resort but it works.

i have managed to find a few threads on forums and a few people have suggested carby cleaner or kero?

lifting the lifter  up as far as it goes and then coating it with either fluid to break up crud on the bottom (varnish)

i have not got oil in the sump so i guess one of them could work?

you had only one mr whippy? i cant get one out!

one person said suggested if its a old motor that they can mushroom at the bottom? 

[obsession]

push it back down clean around the top the hole as best you can,apply small amount grease or gel,  if your using the screwdriver with the bent end ? place a small ring spanner between the two lift lifter up as high as you can and the lightly tap upwards under the spanner.
with special knockometer (bedford tool known to most as a hammer)

[John Abbott]

Hey Able....I had the same problem with 2 of my lifters, so this is what i ended up doing to get them out. I removed the circlip from the top of the lifter and got a small piece of strong wire and stuck it into the little hole on top of the lifter and proceeded to pull the guts out of the lifter. Once i had done this i was able to stick one of my fingers in there and get some grip on it. You maybe able to get a grip with some needle nosed pliers.? I then just swivelled the lifter up and down and back and forth whilst spraying with carby cleaner. Gradually i managed to work them out. Be careful they dont break like this bugger did.!

[able]

my timing gear is one of the old cotton fiber ones that mr wippy warned me about....

reason i know.... with the slightest of pressure it snapped. the small gear is metal.


am i ok to get a second hand one or is it one of those "you have to replace them both together" deals?

and are the 202 and 186 timing gears the same? as i have a 186 sitting their i could harvest it from.