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Technical => Driveline => Topic started by: wendyh on June 15, 2014, 03:57:26 PM
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So after playing with the modified EFI manifold and variable venturi ....we still feel we can get more out of the 202...
...so a turbo sounded like the next step. ;D ;D ;D
Ray has been very busy grinding and welding manifolds for a R33 nissin turbo which can be mounted off to the side and under the engine cover.
its a huge job and Ray has been pacing himself and this is where he is up to so far.
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Now your talking my language Wendyh Is it going to be a blow through or draw through system It looks good so far Love this home built stuff I know you will keep us posted & I started on my inside rebuild the other day so there will be more photos coming from my way soon But that turbo setup I am real interested in Keep up the good work Cheers Reid
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Wow,
cool stuff Wendy.
Let us know when your puttin the beddy at eastern ck drags, lol ;D
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Yeah Thanx Reid...all the praise goes to Ray thou! :D :D
Its going to be a draw thru with no intercooler as were running straight gas. Because a back fire would be quite disasterous :o
YEAH yaarrrhoooooo!!!!! Marty will let you know when were doing some supersprints at eastern creek ;)
the van will be just a purple blurr wizzing past hehehehe
SOOOO watch this space for updates !
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Well done Ray. Its this sort of stuff that keeps us DIY people going. ;D Man that looks like a lot of hours and mentle anguish in those pics :-\ cheers..johnno
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Good job Ray
yep cant beat when a bloke actually makes everything & it works like a dream great fabricating mate
Ok wendy good job at supervising & that should keep ur lead foot happy !! :)
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nice work Ray, im sure it was only a week or two I spoke to you (at DSR) and at that stage I don't think you'd started fabbing it up!
I know first hand what a turbo can do to a 202 and you wont be disappointed!
I've just put my head back on my motor and nearly ready to go back in the race car, so heres some inspiration for you :)
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yeah he loved your pics sammy ! awesome work ! :o
Ray went on five weeks holiday after he saw you so the van got a lot of loving in that time ;D ;D ;D
will keep u all posted on the progress. 8)
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5 weeks ... NICE!
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Hey Marty
this is what my vans gunna look like once the turbos all hooked up ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hahaha, go Wendy :D
Thats the way to go.
The front tyres will never wear out, :D
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or maybe to save time energy and money i should have invested $20 in a chev badge.....we all know it increases horse power ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If you want it to go faster, just put a P plate on it... ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D good one ! now thats even cheaper...ahh actually plastic p plates are FREE !
AHAHAHAHAHAH !
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ok lately we have been gathering various hoses , gaskets and a blow off valve.
today Ray has been busy welding an extension to the torana sump to increase the oil capacity.
looks a little bit funny but will do the job well and wont be seen unless your on your kness with bum in the air ;D
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Hey Wendy...How much extra oil does that give ya? :-\
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dunno yet John defs heaps more oil.... will let you know when we fill it up ;)
forgot to say Ray got the rounded extension bit off a friend who makes sumps for engines going into boats...since the hull of the boat is curved.
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great work Ray! I reckon theres a good 2-3 ltrs more capacity there!
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My guess would be 5! :o :o
;D ;D
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Another turbo beddy! Nice work :)
You won't be disappointed, the torque these little motors produce with boost is very impressive.
Earlier you said you were going draw through? Personally I think that's a very bad idea, especially with LPG.
Blow through would be a much better option and there are plenty of LPG setups that are capable of this when done correctly.
Personally I went with the Gas research carb and b2 convertor, and am very happy with the result.
Another good idea which would have saved me a great deal of work had they been available earliier are these copper manifold gaskets.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-6-179-186-202-Copper-Intake-Manifold-Gasket-9-Port-Head-TURBO/171387126390?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3D8390238247552806308%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107090050%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D171378105094 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-6-179-186-202-Copper-Intake-Manifold-Gasket-9-Port-Head-TURBO/171387126390?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3D8390238247552806308%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107090050%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D171378105094)
I've lost count of the times I've burnt out manifold gaskets before I fitted a copper one. The standard ones just aren't up to the task.
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interesting about the gasket, I've been racing with a turbo 202 for a few years now and I have never had an issue with the intake/exhaust gaskets failing! .... but mine is a blue motor so maybe they are different, I use the metal faced gasket on the inlet/exhaust and its worked fine! wish I could say the same for head gaskets!
but I definitely have to agree of the performance gains from a turbo :)
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interesting about the gasket, I've been racing with a turbo 202 for a few years now and I have never had an issue with the intake/exhaust gaskets failing! .... but mine is a blue motor so maybe they are different, I use the metal faced gasket on the inlet/exhaust and its worked fine! wish I could say the same for head gaskets!
but I definitely have to agree of the performance gains from a turbo :)
I've put it down to having higher exhaust temps due to LPG . On my beddy after 1000 kays the composite manifold gaskets end up turning into carbon around the exhaust ports. The head gets so hot that it has burnt the paint above the exhaust ports right off!
Have never had an issue with head gaskets though, 10 psi is fairly modest boost.
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Ok the extended sump was painted and ready to go in as well as the extended oil pick up.
Ray went to fit the sump and it hit the cross member @$!&%$! was what came out of the shed when i dared to venture up there to see how he was going...why oh why didnt i just keep it standard was his grumbling and complaining...everything is a bloody stuff around and never straight forward on a beddy. :(
...so the steering had to be dropped to give access and a thin slither had to be taken away from the crossmember to get the sump in. And also had to jack the motor right up to the floor to give room to get the sump in too.
And to answer all your questions ...it took 9 litres of oil to fill up the extended sump :D
we also fitted a standard JP oil pump and took her for a test run.....wow no oil leaks!
looking forward to doing the wollongong van run next weekend!
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That is one beautiful sump , wouldnt look out of place in an art gallery.
Your husband has some tremendous skills .
Keep up the fantastic work.
Cheers frank
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geez that sump is too pretty! :D
looking great guys!
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yeah nice work! but I don't understand why you had to lower the steering ? or was that just to get it in ? I thought the only part of that modified was the rear ?
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yeah Sammy it was just to get it in ;)
Thanx Frank & Rotti ...yep Ray is pretty handy with a welder! :D
the curved bit came from a fellow who marinanises engines for boats and he makes new sumps with that style to suit the bottom of the hulls.
I do hope the rest of the fit goes more smoothly. ;D
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Do you reckon that winged keel will improve your aero???? ;)
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Its turbo time !!!!! [/size] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ray put the turbo, manifolds and all the pipes on the 202 today!!
wooo hoooo!
The first vdeo is the inital start up, with no muffler attached yet!
http://youtu.be/7Z16UQ_maZU
The second video is seeing what boost she is putting out....its noisy as we havent hooked up the muffler and the white smoke it the paint on the new exhaust manifold...the turbo boosting at 6 PSI.
http://youtu.be/1wp184xomS4
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Hey Ray I thought my motor was flash but polished inlet manifold holy crap im gona have to pull mine apart again haha Looking good
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Lookin good Ray n Wendy,
I cant wait to hear how she goes,
Keep us posted.
Cheers marty
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We took her for a 140km run today...woohooo! yep gave her some get up and go with 7.5 PSI . The LPG converter didnt like the blowoff valve so its gone...so she sounds pretty noisy. our sone Luke in the supra couldnt help himself..lucky Ray still has to fine tune setup yet it was very noticable on the hills...no need to knock her back a gear.
http://youtu.be/ZLGZGjsxTcs (http://youtu.be/ZLGZGjsxTcs)
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Cool,
So 0-100kms in ?
Lol, :)
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HAHAH Marty :o :D :D :D :D :D
its was it first run...needs fine tuning was runing to rich..give us a week or two and we will see how she goes ;)
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awesome :) you'll be loving it now!
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LOL brilliant! love it.
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hey restoreid you got that manifold polished yet , we have the turbo off
at the moment, it has burnt the paper out of the manifold gasket in 400km
so we have a copper gasket on order from sonic injection should solve the
problem ,but we are very happy with the increase in torque on the hills
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HaHA Im waiting for you to get sick of it & give it to me
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hey Reid that was Ray making that last comment ;D
he said he will give you the EFI manifold and u can polish that LOL! ;)
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Another turbo beddy! Nice work :)
You won't be disappointed, the torque these little motors produce with boost is very impressive.
Earlier you said you were going draw through? Personally I think that's a very bad idea, especially with LPG.
Blow through would be a much better option and there are plenty of LPG setups that are capable of this when done correctly.
Personally I went with the Gas research carb and b2 convertor, and am very happy with the result.
Another good idea which would have saved me a great deal of work had they been available earliier are these copper manifold gaskets.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-6-179-186-202-Copper-Intake-Manifold-Gasket-9-Port-Head-TURBO/171387126390?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3D8390238247552806308%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107090050%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D171378105094 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-6-179-186-202-Copper-Intake-Manifold-Gasket-9-Port-Head-TURBO/171387126390?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3D8390238247552806308%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D20140107090050%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D171378105094)
I've lost count of the times I've burnt out manifold gaskets before I fitted a copper one. The standard ones just aren't up to the task.
Yep you were right Mr Whippy ...were now waiting for a copper gasket to turn up...no one areound newcastle had one is stock... :(
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Sounds good ray n wendy,
I heard somewhere they sometimes put 2 copper gaskets on
Sometimes.
Is that true? N why would they do that?
Cheers marty
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hey marty wont be going two as they are $193 each and 2mm thick ,
from all reports I have read they solve the problem cheers ray
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I think its really weird that some people have issues with the gaskets blowing and others on the turbo 202 forums never have the issue.
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:o Yeah buga putting 2 gaskets on there then,
They might do it if they have high compression heads maybe.
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aren't we talking about the inlet exhaust gasket blowing out ?
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Haha, i thought you were talking about head gaskets
Sorry, was tired when i read it, :D
Now im in the program .
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sooooo i sorta did a deal with Ryan Merwood , who owns a lwb rat van, about doing a burnout...if he did one we would ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
WOOO HOOO its beddy burnout time..... ;D ;D ;D ;D
https://youtu.be/hQBoND7tBJo
Please not this was done responsibly on a private road ;)
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Haha, goes well wendy,
:D
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skids..... ;D ;D ;D
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now thats cool.. love the burn out..
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bedfords are vans
vans aren't shoes
if you can make it skid
be sure to get it on the vid (eo)
ok so i wont make a poet :p
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nothing wrong with a good skid :)