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Title: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 07, 2012, 04:43:14 PM
Hi everyone...I have been doing battle with a crankshaft pulley bolt on an old laser here. I have to replace a $19.00 oil seal that sits in the timing cover behind the harmonic balancer. I have removed the starter motor to get access the ring gear on the fly wheel. I made up a gadget that would sit inside and lock into the ringear teeth to stop the motor turning as i tried to undo the bolt. Got a good socket onto it with an extension but couldnt budge it. >:( My questions are ...Is it worth me buying a rattle gun to loosen it? How effective are they? and do you need a big compressor to run one? Your thoughts??? ???
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: Bas / NZ on October 07, 2012, 04:47:17 PM
When all  fails, I heat it up with my gas set, as it cools down, you will be able to undo it, ofcourse this applys, only if heat will not damange anything.
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 07, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
Hi bas... have thought about that ,but dont have oxy at all so no go. :-[
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: Dano on October 07, 2012, 06:04:20 PM
johnno can you not put a breaker bar on to the rachet handle? (hollow pipe extention) also if you have one that doesn't rachet ie welded or "breaker" one, just swivels .... there stronger..
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: cords on October 07, 2012, 06:23:06 PM
put a breaker bar on it  brace it agaisnt the chasis turn the ignison key just click it it will crack the nut this is how we do it in the work shop, just dont start it pull coil lead off first
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 07, 2012, 06:45:06 PM
Yep Cords ,,,tried the starter motor trick about 5 times even allowing a bit of a run up before hitting the chassis :-X
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 07, 2012, 06:49:50 PM
Dano...I am using all of the stuff you mentioned. Even smacked the nut with a big heavy hammer. :(
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: Merlin on October 07, 2012, 06:56:05 PM
hey Johnno ive got a rattle gun and impact sockets if you need them gimme a ring     cheers Neil
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 07, 2012, 07:00:26 PM
Thanks buddy...Do they need alot of air to run hard ?
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: Jeff on October 07, 2012, 08:28:42 PM
It wouldn't be a left hand thread would it?
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 07, 2012, 08:52:33 PM
Thought of that to Jeff ;) But checked the workshop manual just to be sure. Got a rattle gun from Merlin so will try that out tomorrow. :)
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: SkippyThBushKangeroo on October 08, 2012, 08:08:37 AM
It wouldn't be a left hand thread would it?
         ??? this passed through my mind as well jonno...  ??? seem to recall that possibility   somewhere in the past with my battle of the bolts..... i would verify that either way mate...
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 10, 2012, 10:49:46 AM
Well i managed to get the Crank bolt finally undone. ;D The little bugger was on so tight that not even Merlins rattle gun would budge it .  :-\  i had made up a little gadget to stop the motor turning which would bolt into the hole where the starter motor went and grab the ring gear but this was not enough. So i welded an old extension lever to the aircon pulley (This was able to be unbolted from the main pulley) and braced this up against the chassis. The last thing was a socket welded to a big arsed solid bar. I already had welded a socket for another job on it. So after putting everthing in place the bolt cracked straight away... ;D ;D
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Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: Rogerfied on October 10, 2012, 11:55:49 AM
 John

well done, you must be happy with your result, just imagine if you never owned a Bedford you probably would have given up.

cheers Rogerfied
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 10, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
Yep pretty happy...All that bloody effort to replace a small oil seal that cost $19.00  ???  So far i have done 2 commodore and 1 ford crankbolt removals. The worst of all was the vn commy. Ridiculously tight!!!!
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: Dano on October 10, 2012, 12:38:00 PM
hey johnno can you do my rear main seal ??? you'd be good at it.....only take you 5 min....
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 10, 2012, 12:39:41 PM
Get angry with it Dano  :D :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: Rogerfied on October 11, 2012, 08:00:58 PM
John

if you used a bar and the starter motor to budge the crank bolt it will pay to check the engine mounts as they might have partially torn if you got carried away in the moment of success     :-\

cheers Rogerfied
Title: Re: Rattle guns
Post by: John Abbott on October 11, 2012, 09:35:42 PM
Good thought Rodge. ;) I will have to check that out ;D
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