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Title: Scratch built models
Post by: petrolhead on October 04, 2012, 08:56:36 AM
Found this on another forum they say these are scratch built I'm trying to get info to see if he can make a Beddie
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: BusyKiwi on October 04, 2012, 05:25:20 PM
I'm doing a couple at the moment

One I am making is a 1:20 ish scale van made from sheet plastic, have done a side and back so far
sadly no photos as have packed all my modeling stuff away ready for the big move
Been busy making my new model room at new place, 3m x 3m am having spray booth, resin moulding section and build up places as well as lots of cabinets.

the way I did the van was curve the plastic sheets a bit then glue another sheet to it to hold it, as for the corners etc glue lots of bits together and sand down with trusty dremel. Is starting to use a lot of plastic sheet so am using a bit of bog to build bits up and hope to do some moulds. Plan is to do a van drive in under the glass work top. long term project
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: petrolhead on October 04, 2012, 06:35:48 PM
Anybody got access to one of those 3D computer printers where you take a heap of pic's of something then the computer deciphers them and prints out a 3D model, some Architects have them. I love the Coca Cola Easy Roller Freedom Machine with the Vancraft nose anybody else?
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: Bedfordcrazy on October 05, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
Hey petrol, you will find those printers in britton and the usa, if you are looking for that technology here, forget it, it will be years b4 we see that. In england you can actually send your image to a company and they will do it for you. I would suggest getting some of the pommy members from here to do it for us, and we pay them. Short of that i would suggest dragging out a block of wood and carving knife. lol

george
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: Bedfordcrazy on October 05, 2012, 08:58:05 AM
Hey busy, have you thought about heat to bend your plastic. I am sure there is a tool we have here with varible heat, just hold the plastic on the choice of head, bend to the contour, hold till it cools and stays. Not sure where you buy it or the name, would be quick and minimal sanding and bog.

george

www.kamweld.com (http://www.kamweld.com)

Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: BusyKiwi on October 05, 2012, 09:54:24 AM
I tried heat the first time (has been many lessons in building this), problem is the body line on the curve, once you start sanding the plastic gets very thin and looses it's strength.

A hair dryer will do it
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: hotrod on October 05, 2012, 10:10:51 AM
Hey petrol, you will find those printers in britton and the usa, if you are looking for that technology here, forget it, it will be years b4 we see that. In england you can actually send your image to a company and they will do it for you. I would suggest getting some of the pommy members from here to do it for us, and we pay them. Short of that i would suggest dragging out a block of wood and carving knife. lol

george

there's plenty of places locally (Technology park , Browns Plains for 1) saw them in action in about 98 (they also had a vat of resin, had a laser do it's thing and then they pulled out a resin inlet manifold)
they are even trying to get the printers into schools ATM but proving expensive to purchase and operate and very time consuming
about 3 weeks ago at a demo a guy made a pyramid (same shape as 8 matches glued together) about the size of a golfball, cost $10 in materials alone. Multilpy that by a class full of kids and OMG it would cost a fortune to keep it going
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: Bedfordcrazy on October 05, 2012, 12:56:09 PM
depending on size, the printers start at about quarter of a million dollars each, just for the printer. It's like this though, here in oz we will be the last to see them in use here, oz is always backwards when it comes to technology. oh well.

george
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: hotrod on October 05, 2012, 04:01:51 PM
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Makerbot-Replicator-TWIN-3D-Printer-reprap-Print-ABS-PLA-plastic-filament-/140860292168?pt=AU_PRINTERS&hash=item20cbed7c48 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Makerbot-Replicator-TWIN-3D-Printer-reprap-Print-ABS-PLA-plastic-filament-/140860292168?pt=AU_PRINTERS&hash=item20cbed7c48)
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: taggraphx on October 06, 2012, 07:10:16 AM
My son saw these 3D printers working at the experamental engineers show at Monash on the weekend, he was given two samples of what they can do, I did'nt belive him untill he showed me his video on his Ipad, absolutly unbelivable, there was quite a few there and cost between 2-3 thousand dollors, depending on size, and that was including the softwear, imagine downloading your part online and printing it out on your own printer, real jetson's stuff,
Takes a lot to impress me, but this blows me away
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: petrolhead on October 06, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
From my vague memory when I was able to build models they were 1:24 am I correct? now in mm what dimensions would a model van be, now all I need is a heap of pic's of the van as I've found somebody in Perth with one of these machines so I'd like to send them all the details and get a price, e-mail any pic's of this van to petrolhead1@bigpond.com
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: BlackBedford on October 07, 2012, 12:59:28 AM
G'day

Cruisin' the Net, I found a bloke building custom model CFL vans:

(http://www.modelrallysport.com/images/stories/images/AndrewsCFTransitTrailerRallyCar001.jpg)

A bit of info and more pics at:
http://www.modelrallysport.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=6 (http://www.modelrallysport.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=6)

and more here:
http://essexmodelsandminiatures.co.uk/blog/?page_id=2271 (http://essexmodelsandminiatures.co.uk/blog/?page_id=2271)

(http://essexmodelsandminiatures.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/cf1.jpg)

I sent him an email but got the impression that they are very expensive as there is many hours work in each one..

Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: BusyKiwi on October 07, 2012, 06:59:13 AM
Blackbedford - they are resin copies of the hotwheels scale (extended)

Petrolhead - the normal scale model is 1:24 or 1:25 scale. some stationary and craft shops sell triangled scale rulers with at least 6 scales on them

here are some handy links:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:gqGxChwMqM8J:www.finescale.com/~/media/import/files/pdf/9/c/0/tips_for_scales.pdf+&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESihmedyrJ6kj5FK1Yof77OFQVWoPLH4Q9A2LB23cWW5bLtAHxu1GGKJL3s6cF1UHxUhRwOII08VfONA5LVJ6oO_bNaQRKrylK7Cuo-r3xQz8SFWxDV0F2xJ7ZUqa-dK74uPQmWx&sig=AHIEtbQyZZgAHdwa_GCyDO0y1cKa23YCXg (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:gqGxChwMqM8J:www.finescale.com/~/media/import/files/pdf/9/c/0/tips_for_scales.pdf+&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESihmedyrJ6kj5FK1Yof77OFQVWoPLH4Q9A2LB23cWW5bLtAHxu1GGKJL3s6cF1UHxUhRwOII08VfONA5LVJ6oO_bNaQRKrylK7Cuo-r3xQz8SFWxDV0F2xJ7ZUqa-dK74uPQmWx&sig=AHIEtbQyZZgAHdwa_GCyDO0y1cKa23YCXg)

http://scale-models.nl/scalc.html (http://scale-models.nl/scalc.html)

http://www.scalemodelersworld.com/online-scale-converter-tool.html (http://www.scalemodelersworld.com/online-scale-converter-tool.html)  (bottom of page)
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: hotrod on October 07, 2012, 08:20:28 AM
just get your overall measurements http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=7 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=7)
and divide by 24
1:24 means every 1mm on paper represents 24mm in real life
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: Sundownernz on October 08, 2012, 10:16:31 AM
We have 2 3D printers here where I work. I'm currently working on a 3D model of a base CFL using surfaces in Solidworks. I'll then modify it the same as my van and look at 3D printing it out in any scale I choose. I'll keep the original base CFL model and maybe look at printing some off for those who want them. I'll also look at doing a CFS as well.

The 3D printers are pretty cool and you can get them from about 2K over here. Toying with getting one for home to do parts for my 1/72 scale model warships but having a couple at work sort of means I don't need one at home just yet.

Anyway here's a pic of the CFL surface model as it currently stands. Bit more work to yet to finish it off but it's coming together.

Cheers,
Garry.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/sundownernz/vans/CFLWBVan02.jpg)


Hey Busy, when's the big shift day and what did you decide to do with your vans????
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: Bedfordcrazy on October 08, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
Hi Garry, what does your printer do the model in, metal, plastic or wood. I would love to get a 1:18 scale  model of the BUSH BOSS, or the yellow bedford truck. What would it cost to do a complete 1:18 scale model garry.

george
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: BusyKiwi on October 08, 2012, 01:49:48 PM
Hey Busy, when's the big shift day and what did you decide to do with your vans????
I am building my office/work room down there now, work room for my models. Also been doing other stuff, building garden sheds, BIG book cases 2m x 1.6m (for her) etc. I've been working on custom van last couple of days. Big move will be once both vans are sold but most of my stuff (that I haven't sold) will be down there in next few months.
Not sure what to do about standard van yet, top of grill has a bit of rust coming out and I haven't done the interior yet, I have the ply there just haven't had time to do anything on it, I have a little to do list, install central locking (all bits are there including wiring), mould in dash, interior, change air filter, trim down running boards ... not sure to sell it as is or do all the added stuff I was going to do to it. Hasn't been driven for a while - still using for my storage shed lol
Custom van isn't worth anything unless cert'd so plan is to get it cert'd, will probably be sold unpainted with no interior or very budget interior, no idea of price. Will be sad to sell it but I enjoy building them probably more than driving them around - good excuse to build some more muhaha
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: Sundownernz on October 11, 2012, 09:33:41 AM
Hey George,

Material is either ABS plastic or an ABS/polycarb mix.
I have no idea what one would cost. Material isn't that expensive and run time costs isn't really an issue. Would need to analyse the CAD model once completed to get the amount of material required, then sort a cost from there. Once I have that (a while away yet) i'll let you know.

Cheers,
Garry.
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: Bedfordcrazy on October 11, 2012, 01:26:35 PM
Thanks Garry, would really love to get those 2 done in 1:18. I can then get them painted to match the pics. Will wait to hear from you. Just to clarify, the finished model is 100% finished with wheels, everything in the pic ready to display ?  Sign me up mate.

george
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: petrolhead on October 17, 2012, 08:00:02 AM
Gary what about along wheel base as well
Title: Re: Scratch built models
Post by: mezzmo on October 17, 2012, 04:20:40 PM
it is a long wheel base!
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