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General Category => CF Bedford Chat => Topic started by: Bryce on August 21, 2012, 08:24:35 PM
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Hi Guys
I'm hoping you guys can answer some questions some of my friends have raised about what does and doesn't require an engineering certificate when i go to get my blue slip in NSW.
if I replace the original seats (even if i use the original mounts) I need an engineering certificate.
if I put a fiberglass skin on a door or a complete fiberglass door I need an engineering certificate.
also if I change how a door opens, ie batwing side door i need an engineering certificate.
I've seen that people have done similar thing to this before so I figured that you guys would have a better idea if this is true then my friends
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Hey Bryce.
1. No to the seats, so long as you use all the same mounting hardware and mounting points.
2. Yes if you do a fibreglass door
3. Yes deffinately if you change the way a door opens
4. NO to all of the above if you do the modifications after you get the blue slip, and then you have to hope you dont get pulled over at a random roadside inspection station. The best advice, ring an engineer and just check to see what they will and will not accept. At the end of the day its great to get one over the transport mob, but safety comes first.
george
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Thanks George
hopefully i can find someone that look the other way when doing my blue slip or I'm gonna have to get an certificate since I've gone to put everything back how it was.
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in vic we dont need to get engineers for any of those to my knowledge. unless the guys i use dont know the rules??
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The seats are a touchie one, some say if it bolts the same ok, others wont the origanal seats for Roady
and as l say "recaro seat are standed in my 34 chev, thats how i got it"
Another way, is to put it on club reg, a scruitener will check the van and if every thing is solid and safe, you have your rego. NO RWC OR ENGINEER
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In NSW, yes to all the above.
While looking into engineering a modified Bedford for NSW we have recently found out with the new rules you need an engineering report for just about everything. I am told engineering is technically required when changing the size of your rims.
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do you need engineering to change the oil too?
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Hell yeah You need special permission to change your mind too
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well i for one believe engineers certs are a good thing.
others might disagree, but there are some bodgy people out there!
anything other than standard built vehicles could be bodgerly rebuilt with dangerous parts.
say you had fiberglass doors and had an accident and a bullbar of a 4x4 hit you in the drivers door?
how do you recon your legs, hip body etc would handle it?
realistically your life if you survived would be dramatically changed.
what do you recon your insurance company would just say?
id think they would wipe your insurance instantly when they found out you had un engineered doors or anything else?
and you would be left with nothing but hospital bills etc.
ask any police officer what its like to go to a fatal accident?
in my opinion cars built today are dangerous enough with how they are made of plastic and tin foil.
if you put fiberglass doors on your van at least have them stealed out inner frames and get them engineered.
or 1 day you or whoever you sell the remanufactured van to might just regret it?
p.s. ive seen some bodgy seats bolted into some vans and other cars,
bits of wood used as spacers, thin bolts that could rip out of floors etc.
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good call bro, be safe out there all .....
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cheers brother eddy.
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Hey Mty he mentioned firbr glass door ...i was thinking back door like we put one on the back of ours...i dont think anyone would do a front side door in fibrglass??
also some modifications should be essential like drum to disc brakes...and standard seats to modern full back seats, with retractable belts..things that are necesary in vechiles for todays conditions
i do agree with u with lillte modern day cars ( shopping trolleys) not strong enough to handle impacts...
thought i would add my 10 cents worth ;)
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G'day
I was talking to a bloke who works at the RTA and he has several concerns about non engineered modifications...
If there is an accident involving injury, or death, the Accident Investigation Team may conclude that the modifications were a contributing factor to the accident.
It may only be very minor, however the owner of the non engineered modified vehicle becomes liable to the full weight of the law!!!
And the penalties can be very severe.
Also Insurance Companies can use the the excuse of the vehicle not being compliant in order to deny liability and compensation.
If someone runs into you, their Insurance Company can deny you payment for the damage.
If you run into someone, even your 3rd party coverage may deny.
I have learnt the hard way that Insurance Companies will find ANY way to avoid a payout.
So non engineered modifications can be a big problem.
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here here, i second that.
Look at it this way, the cost of being legal is less then the alternative. Lets say you are in a bingle [ no not lara, she is an accident period lol ] and someone dies, it no longer becomes an accident and a slap on the wrist, you could be facing manslaughter or worse, 2yrs or more in jail is not worth it. So think long and hard b4 you look for a dodgy inspector, it may never happen, but look at me, it could.
george.
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but it seems u can get away with anything in Vic, :D
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but it seems u can get away with anything in Vic, Cheesy
why do you get that impression marty?
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Hi Guys
I just went and saw one of the RTA approve engineers in town and he said that if i put a fiberglass one piece door on the back that I wouldn't need a certificate since I'm not affecting the overall structural integrity of the vehicle.
I'll check with the other approved engineer in town first but hopefully that my problem solved.
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but it seems u can get away with anything in Vic, :D
:D :D :D :D no mty,...... that s SA .. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hey bryce, so long as you have that bit of paper and a signature you have a legal standing.
george
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the door even if it is a rear will most likley need intrusion bars depending on your engineers interpretaaion of the rules seats yes and they will have to have head rests this allso aplies in vic and before any one wants to dissagree i buld rods for a living and deal with an engineer on a weekley basis
if you do deside to do mods on a vehicle with out going down the right paths thats fine but be aware that if it turns to shit you will lose your hose and more than likley pay for the rest of your life as the germs that work for insurence companys will not honour your policy
Cheers gav
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i totally agree Cords,
ive got a lot of mates that build rods also and ive seen whats involved.
i was just unsure on other states.
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but it seems u can get away with anything in Vic, Cheesy
why do you get that impression marty?
because of your prev quote,s ben =
in vic we dont need to get engineers for any of those to my knowledge. unless the guys i use dont know the rules??
do you need engineering to change the oil too?
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but it seems u can get away with anything in Vic, Cheesy
why do you get that impression marty?
because of your prev quote,s ben =
in vic we dont need to get engineers for any of those to my knowledge. unless the guys i use dont know the rules??
do you need engineering to change the oil too?
G'day
Victoria doesn't have annual inspections like NSW, so modifications are more likely to go unnoticed. My mechanic has been warned to make sure any modifications are approved when doing an annual inspection. The NSW RTA has Inspectors running around checking up that the annual inspections have been done correctly. If a mechanic gets caught out a couple of times, he loses his inspection license (and gets a big fine).
A mate was at work when 2 Inspectors showed up to recheck his Jackaroo that had recently been inspected. They went all over it looking for any defects.
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your still missing the point if it turns to shit you will be bubbas bitch
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your still missing the point if it turns to shit you will be bubbas bitch
exactly cords,
people just need to do it right first time and get things engineered.
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exactly cords,
people just need to do it right first time and get things engineered.
G'day
The problem is getting any mods Engineered. There is only one Engineer in our area and he is always booked for the foreseeable future.
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so go out of area we have blokes coming down from newcastel and troy is in woolongong
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but it seems u can get away with anything in Vic, Cheesy
why do you get that impression marty?
because of your prev quote,s ben =
in vic we dont need to get engineers for any of those to my knowledge. unless the guys i use dont know the rules??
do you need engineering to change the oil too?
i will be finding out the rules on monday, cords has a really good point.
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I work with engineers all time for work as well, The engineers we use are for bikes and for some stupid reason they are not the same. I'm over the engineer thing. Last mouth, I put my fairlane thats been in the back shed for the last 8 years, on club rego. I had to join a club ($50), a scrutineer does a check ($50) , He gives you a form for Vicroads. I went to Vicroads and paid $70-$80, that includes plates, logbook the lot. Thats 45 days rego, and I can up it to 90 days if I want. I know I build things safe, and my welds are good and there is a reason to have clearance, so now I don't have to waste money on engineers and full rego. My LWB Beddie is going club rego when its due, cause I'd be lucky to use it 45 days a year, my ratrod will be on club rego next week, as it was scrutineered yesterday. I'm spewing that they don't do bikes, but I think that is just this club I joined. So, my way from now on is all dailys go on full rego, other than that, they go club rego. And yes the fairlane and ratrod are modified
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kool thanx for that tip !