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Technical => Exteriors and Interiors => Topic started by: Sundownernz on January 20, 2012, 09:56:33 AM
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Hi all NZders,
Saw on Trademe the other day someone selling fibreglass flares, spoilers, bobtail, bonett, one piece rear doors and a few other bits so I contacted the guy. His name is Ray and he's based in Hamilton. He bought the old parts moulds from the crowd in Gisborne and is now producing the above CF parts again. They look pretty good and the prices seem reasonable. Check him out under services on Trademe, search for CF or call him on 0274909901 or 07 8540005.
Cheers,
Garry.
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He posted here however his posting wasn't very informative.
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=3567.msg35697#new (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=3567.msg35697#new)
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Be wary of those parts if they are from the guy in Gisborne (Fibreglass auto replacement), I had a lot of trouble with him (the guy in gisborne) because the products were so out of shape and couldn't supply a complete set of anything I wanted (flares). he may of found all the moulds but he tried passing off 3 left rears as a right rear, left rear and right front.
Hopefully this guy does better stuff
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watch this space, or another like it soon, vanz unlimited will hopefully soon be pressing out flares and front airdams like the one on my van, and we are also in negitiations for a mould for a one piece rear door. So will let you know when we start makin em.
Cheers Jeff
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Hey Jeff, are the flares to suit the airdam and if so are you doing them for the larger wheel arches of the later model? If so I'd be interested in a front pair. Thanks.
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Stuey bought a bonnet from the new Hamilton based fellow last weekend and at the same time they test fitted the flares and front spoiler to Stuey's van using gaffa tape. Stuey took a few photos and his comment was that everything fitted pretty sweet. I had a look at the new bonnet that had been fitted to his van and the lines and quality looked pretty good to me. Stuey's in Texas for a few weeks, but I'll ask him to load the pictures into his gallery when he gets back.
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The pictures of Stuey's van are on the Trade Me link........
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Cheers for that Bas !
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watch this space, or another like it soon, vanz unlimited will hopefully soon be pressing out flares and front airdams like the one on my van, and we are also in negitiations for a mould for a one piece rear door. So will let you know when we start makin em.
Cheers Jeff
Hi Jeff
I like the front bumper on yours, would be keen also depend on price off course:)
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the kits look good aye im going to be working on sum kits my self ive got a rear wing like the ateam i can make out of a ba falcon rear tail spoiler
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Stuey was at the Nationals and we had a good look at the flares, spoiler and bonet. They are all pretty good and really strong. They fitted well , the finish was great and although they were only screwed on at this stage, molding them into the van would be a breeze. The bonet is available with or without the hood scoop and comes complete with fibreglass inner skin and tapped inserts for all mounting holes and catches. It would be a great bolt on replacement for all those Mk1 bonets that rust out along the front edge.
Garry.
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thats so cool at least the nz boys got some were to get kits fron now
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thats so cool at least the nz boys got some were to get kits fron now
Got a quote for 2x front flears only and front spoiler, $750.00 plus postage..
Not Cheap, I guess it is because he is using a 3rd party to lay them up...........
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cheaper that the freight from oz thow
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Hey Baz .. You kno that picture of stueys van you posted on page 1 there, whats that front spoiler from ? or is it a custom made one to fit his van
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Hey Baz .. You kno that picture of stueys van you posted on page 1 there, whats that front spoiler from ? or is it a custom made one to fit his van
Custom made one, well it was taken off a spoiler that I made 30 years ago, and has been altered, I still have the mould here, same as the rear roof spoiler etc, they are all a copy, Gemini Plastics made these back in the days.
I don't do this work anymore, but still have all the moulds,
The prices would be:
Front Spoiler $225.00
Flares $110.00 each
Rear roof spoiler $170.00
Side skirts $120.00 each
Bonnet scoop $60.00
Sunvisor $160.00
I take it that his work is good, and it maybe the price it costs these days.
But yes it is great he has made these parts available again, and you don't mind paying for quality these days.
I would buy from them if I needed a part due to the fact I didn,t have the time to make my own.
I think Jeff said on here that their van culb is putting some parts together, waybe woth a look at..........
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cheers baz for info, is such a nice front end.. really curious
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Gidday,
Yep Barry and I did some more final shaping of the front flares at the weekend, so will be contacting the fibreglasser that is going to make the mould for us this week to see when he can start. We are going to be making copys of the airdam that is on my van and rouges van, and the falres that are on my van. We also managed to score a mould for one piece rear door. The fibreglasser that is teaching us how to do it and making the moulds for us has had a look and said it just needs a bit of tidying up and should be all good to go. Scott in our club has a cf2/ facelift beddy so will have a go at modifying the front flares and make a mould for these. And the fibreglass guy is going to try and set us up a discount supply for the materials through his boss. Don't know how much it is going to cost per unit yet but fibreglasser says it shouldn't be much in materials, so will see how it all pans out.
Cheers Jeff
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Cool, I love the fact, If I have got it right, that it will be going back into the club....... ;)
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I'll be interested in taking a look at the CF2 flares. I'm thinking of not flaring the rear now and just doing the front so I'll probably be looking at something that is shaped like the existing wheel arch but sits out a bit further. Don't know what you had in mind.
It's a shame we're not local as my front is sitting in my basement at the moment. Would have been easier to take a mould of that probably unless yours is removeable Jeff.
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cheaper that the freight from oz thow
Na, same items 2x flares 1x front spoiler landed in NZ from Ben was around $600.00 I think
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Have taken a mould of the two front arches of my Mk2 for Flares and front bumber, they will have a inner skin and bollt on or sealed on under the inner skin, no fibreglass needed..... Gordon, need to borrow your Read van for the rear......... ;)
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Gidday, Rouge, we have another kit that was removed from a members van and sold to another club member, Arron. This was the second kit out of the mould of the front spoiler that you and I have from the original manufacturer. And it is this kit that Barry and I are making a mould of for others. Because the kit was fibreglassed on to the van it came off the edges were chipped and damaged and I had to do a bit of work to restore the pieces, but we are now nearing the time to make the mould. The better we make the plug for the mould the better it will be for those who get the end product. Arron wanted to get a mould made of the kit before he puts it on his van. He has had the kit for the last 3 or more years, so with more and more people wanting the kit I set about finding someone to make a mould, and that as they say is how we are where we are at the moment. All going well should have something out within the month, pending on Kevin, the boatbuilder who is helping us.
Cheers Jeff
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got my sun visor today and it way to big guna have to find a smaller truck but its gunna make an awesum front air dam will put up picks wen its been put on
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any body got a sun visor for a cf yet
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If you want a mesh visor I know someone who is going to be making them (he also does disc brake and now power steering units for CF)
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Have taken a mould of the two front arches of my Mk2 for Flares and front bumber, they will have a inner skin and bollt on or sealed on under the inner skin, no fibreglass needed.....
Sounds interesting. Confusing but interesting. ??? Can you elaborate on the 'inner skin' bit? Ta.
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David is he still in the same place, as I seen him selling of a lot of gear...
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The inner skin fits perfect to the body the flare is joined to this in a 2 peice split mould. Seen this done on a Chevy Van while in Germany.
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Yeah he still there, he trying to sell up and retire but even when he does sell his retirement is buying another building and doing general engineering projects, including all the CF stuff (disc brakes, power steering, mess visors), he wanted me to rent half the building and do my own stuff and do V6 conversions for him but he has been retiring for a few years now lol
Mcquoid Engineering 765 Rosebank Rd Avondale (Auckland), ask for Murray, tell him David (custom bedford) sent you
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Don't you mean David with the custom van that took up all the room in his workshop for a long time.... ;D ;D ;D
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Only took up space for that long cause he kept me from working on it lol ended up doing all his work, and looking after the place when they went overseas
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Ok, must call in and see him, to see if the Victor crown wheel etc fits in to the diff Iam using, it still is a MK1 diff but the 10" not the square looking back plate one..
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I'll be down there tomorrow or wednesday if you just want me to ask him for you, or give him murray a call 828 5302
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Have taken a mould of the two front arches of my Mk2 for Flares and front bumber, they will have a inner skin and bollt on or sealed on under the inner skin, no fibreglass needed..... Gordon, need to borrow your Read van for the rear......... ;)
Bas, happy to drop by any time. They will need a bit of work before we can get a good mould of them though. I'm going to need a set for the CF1 anyway as those 8 inch rears stick out way past the fenders.
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Ok swap then.. one more week on Verena's clinic and then I'm free....... :D
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Great Bas, Let me know when you are free and I'll drop by in the red van so we can figure out the best way forward. It will be good to catch up and to see the progress that you have made on your LWB. Think I've found a good fellow to do my rust repairs in metal on the CF1, so hold thumbs.
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found this on a jap van on trade me and bought it hoping it guna fit as a visor for my cf if it dose will get a moled made up cant use pic
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had to delete my rebel confederate almum thanks to the pic i loaded
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Have a mould here for a CF visor.... only had to delete the one photo...........
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the menu for deleting didnt cum up till i got to my album section so deleted the album affected aye have you got a pic of the visor mate
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you got any pics mate
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Hi fellas, anymore news on the front spoiler and flares.
Regards, Brendon
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check out the front of mine mate if you can find a cheap fiberglass body kit font bumper i can make it fit and work for you
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Nice Mate :)
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Gidday, update on flares and spoiler we are just waiting for Kevin the fibreglasser and then we will under way again. We have to fit in around his day job and home life, hopefully not too long now. Will update when we have more progress.
Cheers Jeff
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sounds good jeff just priced up to get the a team van sun visor from the states its about 950 nz the worst part is the freight
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Regarding the A-team van Sunvisor - these guys do the A-team body kit but it works out way to expensive on with freight.
http://www.trucknvans.com/product-p/wld-fklgm-md.htm (http://www.trucknvans.com/product-p/wld-fklgm-md.htm)
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http://www.starcarhire.co.uk/app/CarsForSale.aspx (http://www.starcarhire.co.uk/app/CarsForSale.aspx) - UK site for A-Team body kit for GMCs though, I am sure we have guys in NZ smart enough to make these as well:)
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Have this type of visor, but dont sell them, only for people I know, as they are just copied by people out there............... taking the easy way out.
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Sweet Bas, I have been after one of those for ages but eventually gave up. I have a metal Holden sun visor that was modified for my van. I like it but still like the A Team look better.
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I get my mould back next mouth, as have to pick it up from a mate up north, will lay some up if you give me yor word you won't copy...Bas
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you can trust i wont aye this my last van aye i think 18 vans is enuf lol
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baz any pics or is it just like the a team one wanting to have an idea of what it looks like going to ch ch on friday for an mri and gunna go get my over head cab lights just want to know the look of it for placement of my roof lights
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Sorry don't have a photo, as never got to take one out myself, same as A Team, but has a slight rounded stepup in the middle for air flow, would suit 4 x lights 2 each side of this step, the step is only very little say 1" high by 10" wide.
(http://www.starcarhire.co.uk/images/moviecars/ateam/a_team_van_body_kit/a_team_van_body_kit8.jpg)
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thanks mate aye guna make the rebel look awesum
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Hi Bas, How much would it be? I would be keen also depending on the price. I have no intention of copying it either. Would not even know how too :)
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So it would be a Fibreglass one?
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will be fiberglass mate
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Fibreglass, there is no srews that show on the outside, the screws are countersunk into the visor and have caps over top, so it is very high quality. Cost is about $160.00 all up couriered to your door in NZ comes with screws, caps and seals, takes 15-20 mins to fit.
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Hi Bas
I will be keen, please put me down for one. Thanks.
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cool mate pm me with bank details and freight costs will throw money aside for when you have it all sorted mate
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ill be interested as well ;D
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You might have to start work full time, I'd be keen - should make it out of steel but is more time
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David, need my van sitting on it's new wheels first, have a wedding to go to next mouth at Kawakawa, so will pick it up them. When I get back, will lay one up and put it on the Black Beddie, so you can see it, and take it from there.
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if I ever get a job again , ill take 1 too!
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if I ever get a job again , ill take 1 too!
Craig, will do you a deal, will PM you............
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Also have the rear roof spoiler for the A Team van as well.......
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sweeeet ;D
let all do a team vans lol
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Nice......
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Gidday, update on flares and spoiler we are just waiting for Kevin the fibreglasser and then we will under way again. We have to fit in around his day job and home life, hopefully not too long now. Will update when we have more progress.
Cheers Jeff
Hi Jeff, Anymore news on the flares and spoiler. Regards. Brendon
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gidday, sorry brendon, fibreglass guy is still too busy to do mould for us, hopefully soon though.
Cheers Jeff
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Lots of time goes into making moulds believe me!
Ben
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Gidday, yes I know, lot of time to get the plug right so far, just need the boatbuilder to become free so we can get instruction on the next phase. Hopefully soon.
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just get the flares straight as, paint them in 2k,
give them time to harden then wax them spray with mould release agent, then tooling gelcoat, let it go off till just tacky then glass away.
leave the flares in the moulds till the moulds completly hardened, (that way the moulds wont distort)
also leave the jobs in moulds till completly hard, as the finnished jobs wont distort and make fitting a pain in the ass,
believe me! ive got a set of flares on my poptop that werent left in moulds long enough to stay true and im p#@@%$d off, they are crap. shoddy workmanship!
same with the rear roof spoiler and bonnet.
and the amount they cost me in the long run wasnt b#$$#@y worth it.
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jeff its not as easy as marty says.there are a million things that can go wrong. wait for the boat builder or spend sometime who is experienced with mould making in your area. temperature has a lot to do with it you will be pushing up hil in christchurch because its very cold. youll discover all sorts of problems you never knew you had in the cold whether..
ben
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there,s not a million things that can go wrong ben, your kidding arnt you???
maybe about half a dozen things.
and thats if your in too much of a hurry and skimp on materials.
i showed you how to make your first mould didnt i ben???
there was no dramas with that one.
but i do agree with cold weather makes it a bit of drama.
but if you get a few patio heaters to warm up your shed it shouldnt be a problem.
have a go making a small mould of say a hubcap to start with .
do a few utube searches jeff, there are a few good tutorials on there.
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want to give us a link to one to get started mty. For so long i have been thinking of doing a few things in glass, something i could do from my wheelchair. The start up cost is the worst while you are learning and wasting. lol
george
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there ya go George, this will give you the basics,
how to make a simple fibreglass mould (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp137oWIHpQ#)
just remember to give a good thick coat of gelcoat, make sure you bet no bubbles in the edges, and when you lay the glass make sure you get no air bubbles.
this link is quite good.
when you do a search put in
make a fiberglass mould from start to finnish
or something similar
cheers marty
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hey marty we should write a how to article on fibreglass mould making for anyone interested in getting into the process.. what you think?
is there anyone other than george that would be interested in the process?
ben
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Yes, that would be great, but then someone will take away your busseness Ben
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im not worried about that rossie. most people dont want to deal with fibreglass cause its messy.. and thats why i love it he he!
if they are that keen they wouldnt do bedford bits. not enough turn over. only reason i have lots of bedford moulds is because i had an interest because of my own vans.. i turn overa lot more from hq - hz, torana and comodore stuff.
ben
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Hey ben, here is a suggestion, i can read and look at pics of things like this, but nothing beats actually seeing it done step by step, if you and mty want to do something, how about a dvd showing start to finish on a project, regardless of what it is, you can then use the knowledge to adapt to our own project.
I would love to build a set of mirrors for the van, steel i recon will be to heavy, so doing them in glass would be ideal, but how to start ? i can sort of see it in my head but as i said seeing someone do it is how i learn new skills. How do you start the mould from nothing, that is what would make a great video or dvd, from sketch to polish.
george.
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George you make a plug, which is the exact finished product you want, out of timber, steel, clay whatever. Then from that you take a mould and from the mould you produce your product.
Or if it is something simple you just construct a mould (in reverse of what you want
I teach fibre glassing and have students make things like eskies, sandboards, skateboards, bonnet scoops etc
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I teach fibre glassing and have students make things like eskies, sandboards, skateboards, bonnet scoops etc
wow thats awesome hotrod! i think we could all spend some time being your students. where do you teach this hotrod? sounds like a really fun course!!
george yes you can use anything like hotrod said to construct a plug.
but if i were to make mirrors from scratch i would..
on a budjet id pull apart some oldfridge doors and use the yellow foam inside, id stick it together with hot glue to create blocks big enough to shape with 36 grit sand paper in the palm of your hand to the desired mirror shapes.
if money not a problem go get some green floral foam (stuff you get flowers in) the right size already, less mucking around and the green stuff is marginly easier to sand too.
you cant use white foam because the resin eats it as soon as it hits it. and it wont sand either..
once you have the perfect shape you can lay down a 225 or 300gsm layer of matt with resin of course, let it cure. then body filler it smooth.
you can then mould straight of polished bog if you want but it will create extra work in the mould (always pin holes), better to 2k undercoat, wet sand up to 1200. its much easier to sand undercoat than tooling gelcoat so put your effort into the plug and it will save you effort later.
your mirrors will have to be a 2 part mould. how to make a 2 part mould is on youtube i think.
i will up load some pics of some fibreglass mirror moulds i have for the beddy when i get a chance. have not made any parts off them yet george
saftey warning....
atry keep the yellow or green foam out of your eyes, pretty uncomftable!! but with catylist very dangerous if you get it in your eyes.. can make you blind within 15 seconds so im told.. keep an eye wash bottle handy george because your eyes are gunna be closer to the catylist than mine too because your sitting.
cheers
ben
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and also, i only have 1 eye left benny. ;) ;D
I have been looking at a few videos on you tube last night and it all looks easy, but as you guys have said there are things that can go wrong. Where would you buy things like the green foam from ? or we have some fibreglass places here, so the WWW tells me, would they sell the foam. As for putting benny out of business, well not in this lifetime. ;D ;D ;D ;D I recon most of us on here are spoiled, we like to give benny a call and have the item turn up on the door step. I think i will sticking to small stuff like gauge pods, my power mirrors and one day maybe a custom dash.
To do a dash, do you just carve what you want in foam, or is that one of the reverse plugs you were talking about. Anyhows when i do get started i will video and document the whole thing.
george
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To do a dash, do you just carve what you want in foam
if its fairly squarish id make it out of wood instead of foam but for crazy shapes foam is nice.. also you can use a mix too. flat bits out of wood curvy bits from foam:)
dont worry about reverse plugs. probably confuse you. its confusing me lol
ben
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i need one of these visors more than i need air...or beer