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Technical => Exteriors and Interiors => Topic started by: Rogue Trooper on January 13, 2012, 06:34:33 AM
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Well I've totally run out of money for the mechanical stuff at the moment so I've starting playing with the interior in the rear of the van. What I would like to know is what have people used for the interior roof linings in the back.
I'm making the wall linings out of plywood but I need to curve something over the roof. I don't want to glue carpet or anything directly to the metal. When I was young and dumb I glued lengths of chipboard to the underside of the roof. There is no way in hell the chipboard is ever going to come off so I may as well utilise it now so I at least have something to screw to. I previously had thin MDF curved across the roof quite nicely but that's not ideal because if it gets damp it tends to expand and then it's stuffed. Plywood doesn't really like being bent so that's out too although the boat builders seem to get away with it somehow.
So any suggestions of what people have used successfully in the past?
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Hey Rogue I used ply in the bit in the corner of mine but I got too good quality very stiff & was a bitch to bend so i wet it then used a steamer to get the job done but there is a special bending ply you can get that would be easier The corner bit between the roof & walls is the hardest Lots of luck
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If you are going to cover it, you could bend thin steel sheet around the tight curves.
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Aha, I eliminated that poxy corner by building an overhead console into the rear of the van so all I need is curvy bits for the sides. Thanks very much. I will investigate bendy-ply.
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If you are going to cover it, you could bend thin steel sheet around the tight curves.
I did think about some light sheet steel but as the curve radius reduces as it approaches the rear of the van I put that in the 'if-all-else-fails' bucket. I think working with some flexible board will be a bit easier. I'm trying to keep wood out of the van as much as possible but have relented for the walls and ceiling in the rear of the van.
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hey Rogue,
have you thought of getting a roof top cut and turning it upside down then welding legs on it so it would be like a bench ,
then using ply and spray foam to customise a roof skin with speakers and recesses for dvd screens etc?
i thought about it ages ago but never got around to it.
using same tequnique as like in this dash build=
Nova Armaturenbrettbau / Dashboard build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXjh5wF6nM#)
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If you are going to cover it, you could bend thin steel sheet around the tight curves.
More steel to rust ;D ;D I used 1.5 - 2ml ply on my last van, curved real easy
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mine is done by glueing 1" foam to the roof and then glueing the draylon to the foam. Has been in there since the original interior build back around 1992 and has never caused rusting and never fallen down. And also provides a rather good sound deadening. Thats why its the only part of the original interior build that stayed for the new interior.
Cheers Jeff
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hey Rogue,
have you thought of getting a roof top cut and turning it upside down then welding legs on it so it would be like a bench ,
then using ply and spray foam to customise a roof skin with speakers and recesses for dvd screens etc?
I hate you marty ;D ;D ;D I just spent 3hrs on u tube !!! lol ;D ;D ;D
cheers for the link it was excellent ...except my mind wont stop creating .....
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:D i know what u mean , i was on youtube for ages checking out customising using spray foam n fiberglass , my brain nearly exploded with the info overload. haha.
the possibilities are endless hey.
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It could be done in steel too
Warren
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hell i was on you tube for 4hrs looking at fibreglassing, how time flys, 4 hours i will never get back. lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D But i do have a Q. i found a few things of interest, but how do i copy a video clip to a dvd or cd ? in other words some things i looked at were 2, 4 or more parts, so if i wanted to just copy/record to a dvd and create one complete video, instead of 6 separate videos, how can i do it.
george
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George, a lot of different software out there, but I use these two http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-YouTube-Download.htm (http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-YouTube-Download.htm) http://www.youtubedownloaderhd.com/ (http://www.youtubedownloaderhd.com/)
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Before this starts getting off topic...
hey Rogue,
have you thought of getting a roof top cut and turning it upside down then welding legs on it so it would be like a bench ,
then using ply and spray foam to customise a roof skin with speakers and recesses for dvd screens etc?
i thought about it ages ago but never got around to it.
using same tequnique as like in this dash build=
Nova Armaturenbrettbau / Dashboard build (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXjh5wF6nM#)
Hmm, thanks for the suggestion Marty but that might just a bit complicated for what I'm after. I just want a simple roof lining. If you had suggested it to me about 20 years ago I'd probably have been keen. ;)
mine is done by glueing 1" foam to the roof and then glueing the draylon to the foam. Has been in there since the original interior build back around 1992 and has never caused rusting and never fallen down. And also provides a rather good sound deadening. Thats why its the only part of the original interior build that stayed for the new interior.
Cheers Jeff
Thanks Jeff. I need something that is removeable as I will be running wiring up and in behind it. I'm still investigating the bendy ply. Just need to find someone who stocks it.
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Have a contact in Auckland :'( The best look is to get a hood lining but in by a Auto Trimmer as per your normal car has.......
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I priced up a roof lining for my white van, they said from $350 depending on the material
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Check out my gallery, remember I put a roof lining in borrie $,350 is a good price, it took me 6ish hrs + bows + fab + glue, bla bla bla. if you want a neat job get it done, or you will never be happy with it, it's all in the final fitting too.
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Check out my gallery, remember I put a roof lining in borrie $,350 is a good price, it took me 6ish hrs + bows + fab + glue, bla bla bla. if you want a neat job get it done, or you will never be happy with it, it's all in the final fitting too.
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=29214 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=29214)
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=29217 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=29217)
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We got 5mm interior black synthetic boat lining material and a bottle of glue and a gun and srayed directly to inside of body over all ribs n things.... done in an arvo..wiil get a pic in morn and post...
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i used metal 'c' channel screwed to the roof ribs, then insulated using acrylic batts, then panelled, got over the rounded corners by making pelmets along the sides and rear, all interior wiring runs along pelmet ... can vouch this system works great particularly for any future or unplanned modifications, just spent last two days completely rewiring the interior, moved stereo from overhead console to dash and installed cb/uhf in its place, then moved fuses and amp to other side of van, all this meant dismantling pelmets, console and some panels to reroute most of the interior wiring but job was made much easier than totally stripping and rebuilding the interior. no pics (but there are some before pics in my gallery showing the pelmet system) ... leaving early tommorrow morning to Canberra to look for building work, ...... buga was a good opportunity to do photo sequence but got too carried away trying to get all wiring done while I was on it (nothing worse than coming back to it in 6 months having forgotten what wire was feeding what ??) and all this because the combination of a front sunroof and overhead console made the stereo hot in summer and was worried about melting cds oohh and I have a 1980s style cb to put in its place :-* job still not finished but all cables and wiring rerouted waiting to be fitted off ...... oohh and make a new face for the console :D still a good beddie fix but aye ;D
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I used 10 or 12mm blue foam, 5mm ply and then Im putting 12 mm foam on to ply and covering in 3 sections but Im having a console in the centre a devider behind seats and enough room for seats to lay back. Because of divider I can hide flat brackets to hold ply in place, also I did my Vr roof in black crush velvet and it uses velcrow to holded it up in places so I plan on using 75mm velcrow in there somewhere. pete
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Another old trick is to score the back of the ply with a small hand held angle grinder. A few lines cut half way through the thickness of the ply works like a charm for those tight bends.
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Good idea Gordon, forgot about that one, at Gemini in the 80's ( van shop / factory ) where I used to work, we used a product called (I think) Bitumestic board photo's attached, it bends real easy and is water proof. If interested could find out if it is still available.
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They call that KERFING gordon. You can bend would of any size and shape if you kerf it.
george
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They call that KERFING gordon. You can bend would of any size and shape if you kerf it.
george
Cheers George. I've learnt something :)
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Ok gordon, here is something else, wood is not spelt would. lol ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Check out how i spelt wood in last post.
george
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Missed that one the first time round George ;D ;D ;D
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For all you NZders here there is a place in Auckland, recently shifted to the Hybrook area called Plytech. They stock all ranges of plywood including various marine plys down to 1.5 mm. They also have a great product called bendy ply. I used this for the roof lining of my van and being a jumbo has the higher roof. The ply hugs the curve against the roof supports and goes around the edge roof bend with ease. It's pretty flexible but only in one direction and is available in std ply thicknesses. I think I used 5 mm. It's 3 ply and uses a thin centre sheet with the thicker sheets either side having their grain running in the same direction. Hence the ability to bend well. You can check out their website for info. Just google Plytech NZ. I'm pretty sure they import this ply so it should also be available in Aussie as well.
Cheers,
Garry.
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Here...
http://www.plytech.co.nz/Marine/bend_Ply.aspx (http://www.plytech.co.nz/Marine/bend_Ply.aspx)
...and here.
http://www.plytech.co.nz/userDocuments/SpecSheets/Bendy_Ply.pdf (http://www.plytech.co.nz/userDocuments/SpecSheets/Bendy_Ply.pdf)
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There is also a crowd down Partiki Rd (Avondale) that does ply and stuff. talk to the boys and they might sell you good stuff for seconds prices
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Garry, do you recal the price on the ply (Bendy) at all.......... Cheers
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OK I've got an idea for you but it's messy, get a can of that spray expanding foam and spray it in small sections to the underside of the roof, when all done and dry shape to desired style then get some cheese cloth material and stick it to the underside of the roof you might have to do it in small sections so it doesn't fall down now mix up some resin and do the same thing with that, once it has dried carefully prize down the resin/cheesecloth liner the side that touched the roof scrape off the foam that is stuck to it then put on a couple of layers of fibreglass and resin to strenghen it once set you now have your roof lining, the inside can be covered with what ever you want then you can glue it to the inside of your van but remember to remove that dry spray foam first thats stuck to the inside of the van
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Hey Bas,
Not sure what the cost was but was similar to a sheet of standard ply. Bought mine about 10 years ago. Give them a call and they'll sort you out.
Garry.
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OK I've got an idea for you but it's messy, get a can of that spray expanding foam and spray it in small sections to the underside of the roof, when all done and dry shape to desired style then get some cheese cloth material and stick it to the underside of the roof you might have to do it in small sections so it doesn't fall down now mix up some resin and do the same thing with that, once it has dried carefully prize down the resin/cheesecloth liner the side that touched the roof scrape off the foam that is stuck to it then put on a couple of layers of fibreglass and resin to strenghen it once set you now have your roof lining, the inside can be covered with what ever you want then you can glue it to the inside of your van but remember to remove that dry spray foam first thats stuck to the inside of the van
basically what i described but it would be a nightmare trying to work upside down, better getting a full roof cut and turning it upside down then weld some legs on it like a table, gravity is your friend, :)
then check out the utube clip earlier in this thread on page 1.,
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what about if we used a rotisserie and turned a van upside down? any reason why you couldn't do that? could save cutting a roof off a van.
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Good idea Ben
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George, I can fabricate one up for you if you like......or just call me for more info....Dano +61 448993742
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i forget who asked for some ideas on interior linings ...i we used synthectic boat or thin trunk liner over all the surfaces in the back..got a cylinder of sray glue that comes with own spray gun...used car carpet on floor & wheel arches..that come our easliy when we need to carry messy stuff.
tried to load pics here but uploader full so pics in my gallery on page five under wendyh or on the left if still thr...
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i forget who asked for some ideas on interior linings ...i we used synthectic boat or thin trunk liner over all the surfaces in the back..got a cylinder of sray glue that comes with own spray gun...used car carpet on floor & wheel arches..that come our easliy when we need to carry messy stuff.
tried to load pics here but uploader full so pics in my gallery on page five under wendyh or on the left if still thr...
Looks good, but don't think the sound / noise reduction would be the great ???
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What noise when u got a good stero system in place and functioning perfectly ;D... hey its a beddie you gotta love em as the maker intended them to be.....
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Hey beddies can be quiet, craig had the quietest van I've ever been in, we used an acoustic foam, very similar to eg g cartons, just a little pricey.
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yea that foam was so quiet Clark rubber sell it , I reckon that foam on the roof and Matts stuff on the floor youd have to struggle to hear the engine.
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Doh...I didn't see the connection between the posts... ???
Oh well maybe he will find a beddy buyer from the UK
That likes checking out the BUGA site. ::)
Cheers
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Well in the end I went with Baz's suggestion and used Bendy Ply. It's about twice the price of the normal stuff but certainly saves a bit of effort.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/Rogue1234/Rear%20Interior/DSC00973.jpg)
More pics in my 'Member's Vans' thread... http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=222.msg38305;topicseen#new (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=222.msg38305;topicseen#new)
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When the interior of a Van is lined it makes a BIG difference. What about sound proofing, got any ???
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I'll probably dynamat it eventually or the equivalent but I still have to paint all the metalwork behind it yet and I don't really have to worry about soundproofing till the engine is actually running if you know what I mean. ;)
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So next week then ;D :D ;D :D