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General Category => CF Bedford Chat => Topic started by: Worby876 on April 03, 2011, 09:46:24 PM
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Gday,
I just got my rego renewal for my 76 CF Bedford van its now 0ver $800 a year.
The Wife isnt too happy given we only ever drive it about 6 times a year for
a run down the coast etc.
I was telling a work mate and he said why dont you join a club and get
Club rego?
Apparantly for vehiles 30 years older or more one can get special
discounted rego.
For show vehicles, street rods and other special use vehicles
see
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/c32ee6a7-60a1-4134-bb68-78482b08696d/special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/c32ee6a7-60a1-4134-bb68-78482b08696d/special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf)
Any way I wanted to know if this idea was ever raised before? I reckon a
number of BUGA members only use their vehicles for show or as a hobby and
if we incorporated then members could benefit with regos of only ~$100 a
year.
what can we do to put this idea out to everyone?
Anyone interested???
Thanks
Ian Worby
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on clug rego ypu can only drive on club days (sanctioned days)
or within 15 k of home for test drive or to or from getting work done
Too restrictive no good for holidays
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I spoke to Ben about this sometime ago. It would be a good idea for a few people on BUGA, not everyone. I think we need to look into the requirements for the legalities of the club. i'm not sure BUGA as it currently stands would meet requirements. If your willing to look into it further i'd be happy to do what i can to help.
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Hey Ian, mate i looked into this rego at qld transport just b4 xmas, yes it is a fraction of the cost, but you have to carry a log book, and you can only drive to service the van, or about 15ks from home unless you are going to a show. The other thing that stopped me was that, because of the plates, you risk being pulled over by every cop that sees you, and if you dont have your log book with you, or it is not filled out to the date, you risk having your rego cancelled + major fines. For me it was not worth the hassel, i would rather the high rego cost and the freedom to do what i want when i want.
george.
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found these re starting club
Source: http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic.nsf/byheadline/Registering+not-for-profit+or+charitable+organisations?openDocument (http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic.nsf/byheadline/Registering+not-for-profit+or+charitable+organisations?openDocument)
Incorporated association
Associations are incorporated under State and Territory Associations Incorporation legislation, which is not administered by ASIC, but by the various state authorities. An incorporated association is also a legal entity separate from its individual members that can hold property, sue and be sued. Incorporating an association in a State or Territory restricts the organisation to operating in its home jurisdiction. For example, an association incorporated under the Associations Incorporation Act of New South Wales may only carry on business in New South Wales.
The Associations Incorporation Acts provide a simple and more affordable means of creating a separate legal entity for small, community based groups with limited resources. The Associations Incorporation Acts impose less onerous conditions than the Corporations Act 2001 that governs the activities of companies.
As legislation differs in each state or territory, it is difficult to outline detailed requirements for incorporated associations, but basically an incorporated association may need to:
* Have a committee, responsible for managing the association;
* Have a public officer and notify any changes in that position;
* Have a registered office in its state of incorporation;
* Act in accordance with its objects and rules;
* Hold an Annual General Meeting once every calendar year;
* Lodge an Annual Statement every year;
* Keep proper accounting records and, in some states prepare, have audited and lodge financial statements;
* Keep minutes of all committee and general meetings;
* Keep registers of members and all committee members;
* Have a common seal.
without pointing out the obvious when people try to organise dates for outings on buga troubles are had organising a date months ahead so can't really see this happening
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I meant to post re this. Was talking to my motorbike collector friend at the pub about the victorian permits.
They've just changed to allow any use, not just club related activities. From the vicroads website:
From 1 February 2011, new conditions of use for club permit vehicles apply.
Under the new conditions of use, permit holders are no longer restricted to club sanctioned activities when using their vehicles. Club Permit vehicles can be used at any time for any purpose other than for the carriage of goods or passengers for hire or reward.
A logbook is issued to permit holders to record the use of the vehicle over the permit period. A log book entry must be made each day that the vehicle is used (unless the vehicle is within 100 metres of the garaged address).
A logbook must be carried in the vehicle, or on the rider in the case of motorcycles, at all times the vehicle is in use.
Financial members of VicRoads’ approved clubs are able to apply for either a 45 or 90 day permit depending on how much use they expect to make of their vehicles over a 12 month period. If a person obtains a 45 day permit but later decides that this is not enough, another 45 day permit may be purchased later on.
However, no-one will be able to obtain a permit to drive their vehicle for more than 90 days in each 12 month registration period.
Other features of the new scheme include:
A windscreen label will be issued to assist in identifying vehicles operating with a current permit;
VicRoads may suspend or cancel a permit if the permit holder fails to comply with the permit conditions or engages in conduct which threatens public safety or undermines the integrity of the permit scheme;
Clubs are required to sign an agreement with VicRoads that they meet certain obligations including that they notify VicRoads if they become aware or reasonably suspect a pattern of incorrect use of a logbook by a member. If this is not done, VicRoads will be able to revoke the club’s approval to be part of the scheme.
Club permit holders already on the scheme prior to 1 February 2011 have been issued with a free 90 day transitional logbook. The transitional logbook will be able to be used until the current permit expires. The logbook is valid until the permit expiry date and allows use up to a maximum of 90 days prior to the expiry date.
Permit holders operating with the transitional logbook are not issued with a windscreen label or log book certificate sticker until the current permit is renewed after 1 February 2011.
Slim line club permit number plates will be made available upon commencement of production.
Applying for a club permit
To apply for a Club permit you will need to complete a Club Permit Application form together with:
written verification by the club secretary (or person authorised by VicRoads) that the applicant for the club permit is a member of the car club
in the case of a club historic vehicle that is not a street rod, a current certificate of roadworthiness or a letter from a scrutineer authorised by the club, stating that the vehicle is safe for use on the road
in the case an application made in respect of a street rod, that is a vehicle modified in excess of the level prescribed in the Vehicle Standards Information No.8. (VSI8) document [PDF, 1.06 MB, 6pp.], a Street Rod Inspection certificate issued by Jean - Christophe Bonneville (VASS No. 1042) of Bonneville Consulting, 19 Cantala Court, Endeavour Hills, Victoria 3802. Bonneville Consulting can be contacted on Tel: 0427212464.
Club Permit fee - refer to Permits (Club, Rally and Unregistered Vehicle Permits)
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90 days is actually quite a lot when you think about it. You might not even have to fudge the logbook!
Gives you the option of having a showvan as well as a workhorse, which is what we all need, of course.
Even if the Bedford club doesn't exist.. yet.. there are plenty of general classic car clubs that will be happy to take your fee.
I can see the this scheme being pretty popular, and it should be a model for all states.
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The 45 day permits are $64.50, 90 day are $114.40
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While this might be restrictive to some , who use their vehicles for work and don't want to keep a log book,
If I could be a member of a car club (Such as BUGA) and that entitled me to a annual rego of $120 and let me travel
to "show off my Vintage Vehicle" and display the Club colours so to speak then that would suit me fine.
If other states including QLD follow the VIC model then 90 days is heaps of time to enjoy my Beddie (and keep the Missus
from rolling her eyes every time the rego comes due :-X )
I've been on a number of not for profit registered associations....its doesn't have to be all consuming and all we need
is a basic core-um of elected members and if that gets say 10 or members cheap rego to enjoy and justify their hobby then
i think it could work.
I will do some more research from a QLD perspective...if there is no interest here I guess I could look for a general Classic
or Vintage Car club.
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Having way more than one van made me decide to put my XC van "Bad Company" on "SR"rego 2 years ago. Now of coarse it has changed to the new log book system. This saves me over $400 a year on a van i drove maybe ten times a year. 90 days allows you to drive your van for all weekends of the year except for about 6. Surely not everyone takes their van out every saturday and sunday of the year.
To qualify for this rego i had to become a member of the ASRF, Australian Street Rod Federation. What a bonus, for $100 every 2 years i get access to discounts and get a full colour magazine every couple of months with lots of interesting stuff in it, not to mention the permit.
It is a great idea if your rego is a rediculous price as i know some states are.
The BUGA community would not qualify for recognition to allow this scheme, so i recommend you look into joining the ASRF and also check the laws and regs of each state for the permits as they probably differ quite a lot.
James
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Hey James, i think the main problem with our site is that 98% of the vans on here are not show vans, and most of the guys here drive there vans daily, so the ASRF may not apply or be of benefit. A 6cyl here in the stuffed state is around $800 a year and climbing, so i dont know what you do, fuel this morning was $1.46lt. mmmmmm
george.
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i can only dream of fuel at $1.46lt as in NZ it's $2.18lt
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Word is by xmas it will be $1.80lt.
george
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Given my Bedford is a Motorhome I doubt that I would qualify as a street rod. ::) (0 to 100 in 5 minutes)
While 98% of the bedfords might be used for other use other than show Vans and street rods,
I see that a number have been fitted out as campers or Motor homes.
All BUGA would have to do is have a special interest group membership...but I get the general drift
this might be outside the current structure of the existing membership.
So I'm making inquiries to see if there is such a thing as Classic Motor home Club here in Australia.
They have them in the UK (lots of Bedfords there) and also in the USA.
I have written an email to the CMCA Campervan Motorhome Club of Australia to see if they have such a
designation.
I will let you know how I get on.
Cheers
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Hey Worby, we do, they call it the GRAY NOMADS. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
george
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Great, keep us updated Worby. I'm in the process of getting mine registered atm and I would far prefer ~$150pa to ~$600. Mine is a camper (duh) and I will probably use it about 30days a year, so this Victorian option looks pretty good. Aother bug in the ointment though, is that the club must be 'State' represented (registered). That being said, its all about number of participants (dollars) and hassles (effort), it would be worth about $50-100 to me. :)
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some moons ago when I was in the old van club if we affiliated with the NZ hot rod assc. we were able to get the perks the hot rodders do.
Maybe if BUGA became a club it could affiliate with the Aus. hot rod club and you guys could get perks.
Some hot rods are like campers, only used X amount of days on the road, others are daily drivers ...
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sorry but in vic my rego for a v8 van is only 400 bucks a year inc TAC insurance so not worth it for me. and we pay like 55c a litre for gas. vic ios good to us:) ben
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Way to go benny, $400, thats what we used to pay for rego 25yrs ago up here. Last yr a V8 rego was approx $1100, and it goes up a certain percentage every year, so i am dreading mine in a couple of months when it's due. Political greed, what can you expect. Hows this for a slap in the face, anna captain bligh drives a nice big V8 chrysler 300C, and guess who pays for it, yep us dumb mugs, the tax payers. Oh well march next year, captain bligh may just loose her ship, and we may start to see cheaper prices up here, lets hope can do campbell gets elected.
george.
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Lol Benny - that's obviously for country VIC. It's still well over $500 for me in the big smoke. Still not as bad as George tho, $1100 is pretty bloody steep!! :o
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Hey mark, our rego went up $6 for 10-11 year, that was a good year, they tell me to expect a $20+ increase from 11-12 onwards, so at some stage the cruiser could get garaged. When you add on annual insurance of around $700 to $800 a year, and that is going to jump because of the disasters in the last 12 months, I can expect to pay around $2,500 this year just on rego and insurance, glad the van is not registered yet. Hey my scooter gets free rego, so i can just park the cruiser and drive my scooter, just need to fit a super charger to it first, hehe, leave those jap cars sitting at the lights. heha ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
george.
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yep george .. with all our financial burdenings rising :( , i might get into building rollerskates in preparation... n make my millions ::) i can just see the 2024 financial news... " & its confirmed that "skippyskates" (*trademark* ;D) has just pipped bill gates,s microsoftcock for the most profit magin this month... ;D ;D ;D ;)
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just need to fit a super charger to it first, hehe, leave those jap cars sitting at the lights. heha ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
george.
Haha nice one George! I can just imagine it now lol
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Vanner065,
Thanks for this info on the Australian Street Rod Federation (ASRF). This could be the lead I am looking for.
I notice the club's address is in QLD, and it is in incorporated in South Australia. Are you also based in QLD or SA, or "Way Past Melbourne"?
I am in Victoria, and I'm wondering if you are required to present the van annually to the club for Club Permit approval.
Cheers,
Rubber
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Gday,
I just got my rego renewal for my 76 CF Bedford van its now 0ver $800 a year.
The Wife isnt too happy given we only ever drive it about 6 times a year for
a run down the coast etc.
I was telling a work mate and he said why dont you join a club and get
Club rego?
Apparantly for vehiles 30 years older or more one can get special
discounted rego. Just wondering is your Beddie registered as a camper?
For show vehicles, street rods and other special use vehicles
see
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/c32ee6a7-60a1-4134-bb68-78482b08696d/special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/c32ee6a7-60a1-4134-bb68-78482b08696d/special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf)
Any way I wanted to know if this idea was ever raised before? I reckon a
number of BUGA members only use their vehicles for show or as a hobby and
if we incorporated then members could benefit with regos of only ~$100 a
year.
what can we do to put this idea out to everyone?
Anyone interested???
Thanks
Ian Worby
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My post is lost in the middle, Is your Beddie regoed as a camper?
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Hi petrol head,
In answer to your question, no, my beddie isn't a camper. Just a regular SWB CF van. With a mattress and a gas cooker if need be.
Does the camper registration disqualify you from a Club Permit?
cheers, rubber
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Here in WA rego for a camper is heaps cheaper all you need is what you allready have but the gas bottle has to be vented to the outside
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Early this year I put my old Fairlane on club Rego,
You join the club, ($50 for the one I joined)
Their scrutineer comes out and gives your car a once over, ($50 acar)
then they give you a Vicroads form, which you take to Vicroads, not the car!!
I gave them $60 something dollars for 45 days, which I can up to 90 if I need.
They send the plates and log book in the mail.
There is no R.W.C. , NO STAMP DUTY or transfer fees.
If you get pulled over and you don't have your log book or it's not filled in for that day, it is classed as unregisted and BUSTED, if your car is a dangerous pig and you get pulled over, not only do you loose your rego , the clubs in the SHIT too.
The log book is simple, Date, Driver, Destination . Geelong/Melb will pass.
My bedford will get club rego when it's due, cos I like saving $500 A YEAR, PER VECHILE, now lets see, 11 cars and bikes, means may be I can too aford all the regos, and drive in style every day in a differant car and save money so I can buy more!!!!!!! ( or pay for the petrol)
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Hey Rossie,
Thanks for the info. I have my LWB and a charity bash car needing to do the same. What club are you with? I'd love to contact them to see if mine are able to be club rego'd. (PM me if you prefer)
Adrian.
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It's a club called Muscle'n'Chrome, It's local to Ballarat, and they arn't to keen in the Bedford cos they say it's to big and getting away from there theme. Another bunch up here are talking about starting up one for the reg only. They are like me , with cars and bikes, vans and trucks. I'll be talking to a couple of them new years eve. That would suit me better if one club does all. I think one of the reason they like my fairlane is cos it's fully rebuilt and it can lift the frout wheels of the ground ::) ::)
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Some family and friends and I are mid-process setting one up!!
My brother -in-laws a mechanic, has got a few diff cars he's gonna run on it (mostly for wedding cars) and a couple of weekenders, his mates got some old VWs, Ive got bessie and an old scooter. We're hoping to keep it non-specific vehicle wise, but we'll see how we go.
Apparently vicroads is slowing down on approving new clubs, so we'll see what happens, and I'll keep you posted if we're recruiting!!
Al.
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I had a read of the Feral sports car club website; makes amusing reading.
Their story is helpful for making the best of the Victorian concessional rego system.
http://feralsportscarclub.net/CarClub2.html (http://feralsportscarclub.net/CarClub2.html)
NSW is a different kettle of fish, there is an emphasis on originality/ period modification only (last time I read our rules); I don't know the Rod and Street Machine rules.
Any other NSW'ers able to chime in?
Andrew.
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Those Ferrals ROCK, ..love the read and the way they think,lol! ;D
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So...any takers to start a QLD Bedford Users Group Assn ???
There must be at least 8-10 in SE QLD with 25 + year old Beddies that are not
Necessarily their daily ride, but want to belong to a club with few rules but allow
The possibility of reduced Rego so we can enjoy our hobby and keep the misses and
Family budget in check.
I would be a definite starter...what about anyone else...??
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Hi worby, I wouldnt mind starting a club in QLD also. I'm sure my brother will put his hand up for this too :)
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Cool that's 3 ...any others ??
I'm assuming the same set up requirements for QLd but it might pay to have someone check with
QLD transport and fair trading etc.
anyone done this already?..
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here's one of the hoops that would need to be jumped through firstly to eliminate personal legal liability
http://www.communitydoor.org.au/setting-up-an-incorporated-association-in-queensland (http://www.communitydoor.org.au/setting-up-an-incorporated-association-in-queensland)
then these are the restrictions for special interest rego (very restrictive unless you are participating in a sanctioned club run)
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Registration/Registering%20vehicles/Street%20rods%20and%20vintage%20cars/Special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Registration/Registering%20vehicles/Street%20rods%20and%20vintage%20cars/Special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf)
What we really need in Qld is for the 45/90 day rego to be brought in like other states
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IM INN WORBS...BUT i have to still pack up here in Melb and im moving back to Qld once we sell the houses!
Real estate in Vic is a buyers market at the moment,have to sit n wait till it picks up here to sell,hoping mid year ill be back in Qld..YAY? ;D
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Hi worby, I wouldnt mind starting a club in QLD also. I'm sure my brother will put his hand up for this too :)
Yeah I'm in, but I gotta get a beddy first! :P
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here's one of the hoops that would need to be jumped through firstly to eliminate personal legal liability
http://www.communitydoor.org.au/setting-up-an-incorporated-association-in-queensland (http://www.communitydoor.org.au/setting-up-an-incorporated-association-in-queensland)
As long as we don't own any property I can't see any problems re liabilities etc ;)
then these are the restrictions for special interest rego (very restrictive unless you are participating in a sanctioned club run)
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Registration/Registering%20vehicles/Street%20rods%20and%20vintage%20cars/Special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Registration/Registering%20vehicles/Street%20rods%20and%20vintage%20cars/Special_interest_vehicle_scheme_guide.pdf)
Yeah these are a lot more restrictive than the Victorian deal...still most Beddies are over 30 years old and would qualify as an Historic vehicle.
Seems like I can drive 15kms from home just to do a test or maintaince run.
if I want to go on a longer run I simply make sure I'm going somewhere to get a quote on getting some repair or maintainencd done on my rigg ::) eh ??
What we really need in Qld is for the 45/90 day rego to be brought in like other states
Yup that would be better ..still I only use my Beddy Motorhome one in a blue moon so to save $600 to $700 a year is a very good reason to belong to a Club.
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Have a really good read of the Feral Sports car club site all the clues are there.
The reason you incorparate is to limit/exclude personal cliability.
The QLD restrictions are almost exactly the same as the VIC Pre 90 day system.
The ferals had a yahoo site with a calender, group activities could be planned weeks in advance, but if anyone wanted to go for a drive, they just posted an "event" like a Monday night cruise etc before they went and away theyed go.
The idea is not to get to big, or to complicated use the KISS principal.
As I have bikes, cars, vans, caravans and motorhomes, I would need to be in a small cub that catters to all those.
Warren
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Hey fellas ... I know it's been a while but I saw a DVD that featured the Vauxhall Car Club of Australia
Including some 1976 CF Bedford campers and so I went looking on line for more info and found this
From a web site that said the Club has branches in every state except Tassie which was annexed under Victoria AND membership qualifies for CLUB REGO !!!! :P
Check it out...maybe that could be the solution some of us are looking for to keep our hobbies affordable for those only needing the occasional weekend trip ( up to 90 days use in some states)
http://carclubs.shannons.com.au/vauxhallvic (http://carclubs.shannons.com.au/vauxhallvic)
VOCA was formed as a one make group within the Veteren, Vintage & Classic club of Wangaratta in 1974, due to promotion activities by Ian Ward. Simultaneously, the Vauxhall Car Club was formed in Melbourne. VOCA was established as a seperate club in Jan 1977 then 2 months later the Vauxhall Car Club amalgamated with VOCA. VOCA now has active branches in all states except Tasmania(which is annexed to Victoria) and has 750 memberships (many of these are family memberships) throughtout Australia and overseas.VOCA offers monthly meetings, national newsletter & access to club permit registration.VOCA has an active, well stocked national spares depo.library(from which copies of manuals may be obtained) with material covering most models and regalia sales.
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Hi Worby,
Yes I too was interested in doing this and I actually did join the Vauxhall Club about a year and a half ago. You need to be a paid up member (approx $60 I think), attend a few monthly meetings (if you can) and participate if you can in their event days. It is a very small group, mostly older retired men with old Vauxhalls. I was the only one with a CF Bedford and felt quite out of place. All you need is a current RWC (not negotiable) and they provide you with the Club Rego. So great for those using upto 90 days.
Let me know if you need the contact details.
Thanks, Adrian.
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I can confirm that the VOCA do cater for Bedford owners too. I have joined with my CF Van and have just received heritage plates. Yes, a RWC was required. Sarah Clark is the Victorian secretary and is extremely helpful. I have not yet been to a meeting.
Cheers,
rubber
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I've emailed the contact for VOCA QLD Branch and hopefully will get a response
Including confirmation of membership fees, events, and benifits including Club Rego
Or SIV (Special Interest Vehicle) as it is referred to in QLD
More information for QLD vehicle owners can be found here 8)
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Registering-vehicles/The-special-interest-vehicle-concession.aspx (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Registration/Registering-vehicles/The-special-interest-vehicle-concession.aspx)
Cheers
Ian