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Technical => Driveline => Topic started by: Rogue Trooper on February 13, 2011, 02:00:25 PM
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Ahh, that old chestnut the power steering rack.
I was going to go the 928 Porsche left-hand drive rack the same as Garry however the dismantler in Levin has sold his business to someone in Te Horo and it all seems to be a bit vague now which means I don't really want to take the risk with my money if I can't get suitable parts if required so I thought I'd go with a Transit rack like others here. It appears to be a tried and true method and there doesn't appear to be any shortage of them available which is great.
What I would like, if people wouldn't mind, is if those who have the racks wouldn't mind posting some photos of theirs fitted, the mounting brackets and so on. I'm a great fan of not reinventing the wheel if I don't have to and if I can show my engineer buddy some fitted it'll probably cut down on the R&D time which in turn saves me money that could be better spent on a driveshaft and exhaust system ;).
I have the 2 pictures of the UK one but it's not very detailed around the fitting to the cross member etc. If you have problems posting the photos email them to me and I'll post them for you.
Thanks in advance.
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gidday I think kane (night vision) of river city vans who also lives in lower hutt has done this conversion to his van. I remember a couple of years ago he was converting to power steering and went the way of transit. As he lives in the same part of wellington as you shouldn't be hard to arrange a look. Can email him if you wiish, and ask.
Cheers Jeff
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Thanks for that Jeff. I'm pretty sure I have his email address kicking around at home. Failing that I can probably get hold of him via SCV.
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Hey Rogue, we used a transit rack in my van, and have to say it was dead easy, 1 days work once you have everything on hand. Here is what you need:
1. 97 VF-VG Transit rack.
2. 10mm Steel Plate.
3. 25mmx25mm Angle.
4. New Tie rods.
5. New tie rod ends.
6. New high tensile bolts.
You need to mount the transit rack at a 45 degree angle, which is where the angle comes into play. Here are some pics that i took, i will get you some better pics as soon as i can.
george.
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And some more
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and more
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You're a wonderful fellow George. Thanks very much! :D
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Just returning the favor mate. All up i shelled out around a grand for the lot, including labor. Thats with tie rods, ends so on. As i said it was the easiest part of the build, once we worked out the bracket.
One thing not in the pics, and i will get it for you, a 10mm spacer to kick the bracket out from the crossmember. What we found was that when we dropped in the V6, the lower pulley was just shaving the top of the bracket, thats why we cut out some of the angle, but we still need to bring the rack forward by just 10mm, this does not effect the steering at all. The last thing you want is the V6 moving and shattering the pulley.
As soon as my mechanic can work again i will get some pics, as the spacers are still to be fitted. I would also recommend you do the motor then the rack, we went the other way and had to modify the bracket. We went back to front thinking the rack would be a pain, and the engine a breeze, man were we wrong.
george.
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Thanks George but you forget, ;) my engine is midmounted. I have about half a metre at least of clearance.
Good info for anyone else following this thread though. 8)
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Hey rogue, you will save yourself 2hrs then, because you wont have to rebate your bracket out. You wont have to worry about pullies and other obstructions, so it should be a breeze in yours. I am not a mechanic, but i helped my mechanic design the bracket, so your engineer mate should be able to do yours in no time at all.
Once we get mine up and running, and tweek it, i will be doing up templates for all the parts that make up the bracket, so all beddy owners who want to go power can do so.
I think the bracket is sitting on my bench in the workshop, if it is i will get some detailed pics for you rogue.
george.
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Hey Rogue, ok my bracket is bolted to the crossmember, but i was able to get some more detailed pics, and i have labeled each pic, so if you have any Qs. just ask and i should be able to answer. The one thing i have done with my van is be involved with every modification, so i know everything about whats done. Give me an hr or so, and i will have a power steering section in my album, but here is some more pics for you.
george.
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and more, We still need to sandblast and paint or powdercoat. Hope these help.
george.
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Hey guys, ok I have done up an album for the power steering rack, there are still a lot of bits i have to add to it, but i have started.
george.
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Hi George...Thanks for the great pics mate ;D it gives me a good idea what to look out for !!!
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thanks george your a top bloke :D
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excellent George thanks
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Hey George those tirods are they transit ones shortend with beddie thread on the ends or custom built & iff so where do you get them Cheers Reid
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Hey reid, no mate they are custom one offs, an engineering mob up her in queensland machined them up from raw steel. They actually made them thicker and shorter then the original beddy ones. These were made to screw onto the transit rack with a thread that accepts the standard tie rod ends, which are new ones. I think it was TBS, check the disc brake thread from last week, and i have their details on there. The guy at TBS knows about beddy's so he knows exactly what to do.
george
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i just tried to find the disc brake posts but can't, i had the contact details in there, so if someone can find it for me.
george.
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top thread lads, thanks, now , I have a couple of Q's,
turning circle? i remember reading it was a little larger , but nothing really to worry about , can anyone remember or enlighten us.
pump? what pumps are being used , I have a chevy std pump, assuming its similar if not same as holden/ is there any pressure ratio's to be aware of?
cheers Dano
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Hey dano, we have not driven mine yet, but my mechanic has said thet there will be almost zero difference from stock, and something called bump steer, he told me there will be no problems, steering will work as normal. As for the pump, we spoke to the guy at TBS, and have been told the VP pump will work fine, so we are using the one from the donor car.
george.
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Hey Guys, here is the info dano ask for:
TBS
BRAKE & STEERING MANNUFACTURING
18 SMITH ST
CAPALBA QLD
Phn 3390 2622
These guys actually machined up my new tie rods from raw steel, they also sorted my rotors so i could have HQ pattern all round. I have never spoken or been there, my mechanic has a trade account with them, so he spoke to the right people there. Hope this helps.
george.
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Hey george
Youve got a great rack - bet you havent heard that in a while ;D
Thanks for posting the info, its got me thinkin :o ???
Warren
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Thanks George,
The man who does the work at TBS is John and the workshop number is 07 36206555 the other number is the office.
I talked with John this morning and he uses a late model stock 16mm dia.rack end and cuts it down to length and re-threads
for Beddy tie rod end costs $209 pr including GST but not postage.He can supply Beddy tie rod ens for $65 ea. Pn TE476R.
Apparently you don't need a L and a R just two R's. RRR (attempt at humour)
Dennis
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Good one dennis, yeh my mechanic has all that info, so i may get it all when the van is done. He is doing up a workshop manual for me when the van is done, and it will have all that info in it so i can buy parts over the counter in the future. Everything on my van is late model and readily available, so no more trips to the wreckers.
george.
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I just aquired a 325 BMW and noticed that the power steering rack is in front of the cross member soooooo
maybe these are worthy of further investigation. Has anyone tried one?
Dennis
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thanks sooo much George/Rogue for the post GREAT info....
Dano
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Plenty more to come yet. The diff is being fitted first on mine and then we move onto the rack so I'll take plenty of pics as we go as well as anything else I find along the way.
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I just aquired a 325 BMW and noticed that the power steering rack is in front of the cross member soooooo
maybe these are worthy of further investigation. Has anyone tried one?
transit sounds like a cheaer option. to start with and replacement parts in the future..
george one question roughly how much would have all the parts set you back?
cheers
ben
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Ben,
Got quoted $275 for 98 Transit one and $100 for BMW one at my local BMW garage, they have lots of cars there and do some wrecking.
Don't know if the BM one is wide enough tho it's around 600mm between the swivel bits, anyone measured the Beddy one??
Dennis
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ok well maybe it is worth looking at.. i thought anything with a BMW label was expensive?? obviously not.
what do you want me to measure on the beddy rack?
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The distance between the knuckle bits where the rack ends swivel please
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Hey benny, all up with everything to date, without checking the reciepts, the whole power steering conversion cost around $1,500, that includes the steel plate for the bracket, tie rods, and tie rod ends, and in my case i paid for my mechanic, so add in about $400 for labour. Using the transit rack is a really cheap conversion. We paid about $550 for our rack, but heres why, we found out here in brisy, mine was the only one in almost new condition from a steering overhaul place. We could not find one from any wrecker in bris, the reason why, they are fairly new, and being almost bulletproof there just are not to many ending up at the wreckers. In years to come there will be more and they will be cheaper. We could of gone new from ford, but $2000 is not what i had in mind. Depending on cost, i may buy a new one from ford, and keep the mock-up one as a spare, will see when the time comes.
george.
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We could not find one from any wrecker in bris, the reason why, they are fairly new, and being almost bulletproof there just are not to many ending up at the wreckers. In years to come there will be more and they will be cheaper.
george.
I picked up a good one off ebay a while back for $80, so they are out there. And no it is not for sale as it is earmarked to go into a LWB.
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Because we got ours from a reconditioner place it was probably more expensive. Also these racks are suposed to be really reliable, thats the word from a few people in the industry. The reason i seem to pay more then others here could be because of my situation, being a double amputee, where as some would buy and take pot luck i try to get reliability from the get go, i dont have the luxury of doing a benny, [ breaking down on the freeway and climbing around under the van to repair, ] ;D so i tend to pay that little bit extra. Having said that a lot of guys on here could do the conversion a lot cheaper then me, but i am not complaining, i am rapped with my powersteering conversion.
george.
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very well said george:)
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Hey George. Did you use any kind of bushing to mount the rack to the cross member or is it just hard up steel against steel?
Ta muchly.
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Mine was set up with hard steel against hard steel, from the rack mount bracket to the cross member but the rack to the mount is bushed through the bolt holes .........
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That's what I'm after. Do you know if the bushes are a standard Transit item or aftermarket?
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Standard Transit item..... Available new as I had new ones put in, looks like the old rubber shackel bushes, mine had to halfs that push in to the bolt hole, the bushes had a steel center running through them that the bolt passes through.... A bit like the bush in the photo below.
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Hey Rogue, we just bolted the rack straight to the new bracket, and the new bracket to the crossmember.
george.
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Hi Guys
Those of you with the Transit racks in, could you post up a couple of pictures of how you connected the rack to the steering column please? George said earlier that his lined up but mine doesn't. It looks like it will need a couple of universals.
Thanks.
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Hey Rogue, the reason why mine may of lined up to with in a degree, could be because i ripped out my whole bedford steering, from the rack up to the steering wheel, and fitted a custom steering column and wheel linked to the transit rack. I had one uni on the rack and one on the column and a 2" bit of shaft to join the 2, and to our surprise when we turned the wheel the rack turned. I will search my pics and see if i have any clear pics.
george
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I've got an EB Faimont column in mine but it doesn't matter how you set it up there is no way that they would line up unless you moved the steering rack more to the drivers side.
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Mine lined up real close, will find some old photo's when I get back to NZ. Bas
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It might be down to what my definition of 'lining up' means but some pictures would be great. Thanks very much.
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ditto that...... scored a rack for $250.00 in Perth.Now to get onto the Bannana benders...LOL steering mob.
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Danno,
Any news on costs from the Queenslanders? I will be doing my engine replacement in Dec hols and will do the power steering at the same time.
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Well contrary to me saying earlier that the rack didn't line up with the steering column, in the end it did and quite well so it shows that I have no idea what I'm talking about.
The rack is in and works really well and even with it not working under power it's much nicer steering than the standard Bedford one as I found out when we loaded the van onto the tow truck to bring it home at long last.
One of the pics with my big fat hand in it pulling back the boot shows where my rack was extended. Rather than George's method in which he had new arms made up mine had this insert made up and installed between the arm and the rack. It's the bit with the notch out of the top for a spanner for those who have no idea what I'm talking about.
I don't have any pictures of the actual bracket yet but will take some when I yank it out to get it powder coated but here are some in the meantime of how it is sitting in the van.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/Rogue1234/Power%20Steering/DSC00842.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/Rogue1234/Power%20Steering/DSC00841.jpg)
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nah sorry Van wolf, just been moving house, pretty much all done now, will get back onto it soon as poss...
Danno,
Any news on costs from the Queenslanders? I will be doing my engine replacement in Dec hols and will do the power steering at the same time.
those pics are horny!, except for the not fat but VERY hairy hand (thing) I think I'm gunna have a hard time with mine as the balancer is just over the standard rack :-[
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wow,your van sits low..
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Something I forgot to mention when posting last night is that the reason the rack was extended behind the steering arm pivot point unlike George's was that the theory goes, if the pivot point sits on a line drawn between the top and bottom wishbone mounts this should reduce the possibility of any bump steer. If you take a look at the photo (sorry about the hand thing again Dano) you'll see that that is where mine now sits.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/Rogue1234/Power%20Steering/DSC00850.jpg)
wow,your van sits low..
Yeah it's cool eh! We reset the springs before it came home. I'm an absolute weapon at removing and replacing springs now. Nice new shocks too. The springs have been lowered by 20mm. When the engine was moved back the front sat up a lot higher so resetting the springs has fixed that but it's probably now a little lower than normal. There is just a touch of negative camber on the front wheels which is great and the 15" wheels fill the wheel arches really nicely.
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so that wasnt with the transit power steering all these photos in the end??
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Yes it was.
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Hey Rogue,
That's looking pretty good mate. Well done. Will be great to see it on the road.
I was trolling through some old posts the other day and noticed in another topic on power steering about bump steer and you were comparing two different setups, mine and another. As stated it looks like the pivot point on my rack sits outside this imaginary line between the top and bottom wishbones and the other one inside the line. You asked about whether either of us suffered from bump steer. I must have done about 30K plus kms now with the Porsche rack and have had no bump steer issues at all. From my experience I would have to say that having the pivot point just outside the line is not an issue.
Keep up the great work and more pics please.
Cheers,
Garry.
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Bedfordcrazy. I fitted transit rack like you described, thanks for that dead easy, only not sure of rack to steering column setup. What did you do (use) To marry the two together.
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Hi Azzahq, it was so simple, because the angles were so close, [ we had a custom column, not beddy ] we put a union on the end of the column, union on the rack, and cut a piece of the splined rod to length and slotted it into the unions, and rogues your uncle we turned the steering wheel and it all worked like a bought one. ;D I will see if i can get a pic for you and post it, the spline bit we cut was only about 2inches long.
george.
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Hey Rogue
have you got plans or a temp plate for your mounting bracket ?
thought i mite do this mod while im doing the disk brake swap
any help would be great
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No sorry, none of the above however I do have to pull it out at some stage to get it powdercoated so I could ask and see what it would cost to make another one up.
Let me know. Ta.
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Hmmmm, thinking about it you might want to confirm that it will fit first too depending on where your engine sits. Mine is midmounted so my bracket was made up without that as a consideration in the fitting. Also my van is a later model that yours so there might be a gotcha there as well.
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Hmmmm, thinking about it you might want to confirm that it will fit first too depending on where your engine sits. Mine is midmounted so my bracket was made up without that as a consideration in the fitting. Also my van is a later model that yours so there might be a gotcha there as well.
Good thinking, I don't think you could have a stock mounting bracket as so many engine swaps a different, / backward mount- High mount- low mount - forward mount like mine, all will have an effect on the mounting of the power steering, unless you go mid mount like you.
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think i have plenty of room around the steering rack ... have posted pics in gallary .. not sure how to post here yet ???
was hoping for some sort of plan , i have a spare cf2 front end will use cardboard to make a template and get my son to make at work , but would be keen on a price to compere
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think i have plenty of room around the steering rack ... have posted pics in gallary .. not sure how to post here yet ???
was hoping for some sort of plan , i have a spare cf2 front end will use cardboard to make a template and get my son to make at work , but would be keen on a price to compere
Your rack has been moved forward by the looks of it, or might be the angle of the picture.
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=37712&g2_serialNumber=2)
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must be the angle .. the brackets dont looked to be changed will compere with the other steering rack i have ...
tho its off a much newer van
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http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=8685&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=8685&g2_imageViewsIndex=1)
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8688&g2_serialNumber=2)
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=8680&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=8680&g2_imageViewsIndex=1)
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=8683&g2_serialNumber=2)
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It does look different. I'm sure mine had nowhere near that size gap between the rack and the front crossmember.
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Hi Rogue and other Transit power rack converters. Scored myself a rack at Pick-a-Part earlier today so I'm about to join the assisted steering club. Had a sudden though and figured you fellows would know the answer. I left the Transit universal joint and short steering rod back in the yard. Do I need it ?
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Yep. We used it.
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Don't forget, you need the longer rack of the 2....
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Thanks Rogue, I'll go through and fetch it next weekend.
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Ive got Leyland P76 power steering on my green poptop
Works a treat.
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Hi Bugas, thought I would add my two cents worth to Rogue's already fantastic posting on the Transit power rack conversion in the hope that this might aid someone tackling this conversion in the future. I'll start off by describing the mounting option that I have gone for. I wanted to retain the original front beam towing eyes but at the same time get the new rack mounting as low as possible. So we ended up cutting a V section out of the top of the towing eyes and then welded in an angle iron. Apologies for the picture quality.
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Next step was to create a u shaped box section by cutting a face off a square tube. This U shaped section then drops down into the inverted angle iron that we welded into the front beam thus creating the necessary angle needed for the Transit rack mounts. This gives one a double sheer mounting point which is a certification requirement here in New Zealand.
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As a backing mount to the actual beam we used an 8mm steel plate that picks up the original Bedford rack mounting bolt holes, so that the conversion can be unbolted and the van returned to an original non power setup should this ever be required. The picture below shows the new rack mounted onto the front suspension beam.
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With the beam back in the van I double checked the steering rod angles to make sure that the universal joints won't be under too much of an angle. From the pictures below you can see that things line up pretty well with a standard Bedford steering column.
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The steering rod will consist of a standard Transit universal joint that fits directly onto the Transit power rack. The Transit shaft that is attached to the universal joint is then splined and mated to a Flaming River FR2526 universal joint that is a perfect match for the splines on the Bedford steering column. Pictures of the steering rod to follow once I get it back from the engineering shop.
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Awesome Gordon, thanks for sharing. I will probably go this way aswell so this is very helpful
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Hey Guys,
when we did our Ford Transit Rack, we used all the original mounting holes for the rack and van. Because the transit rack bolts up at a 45 degree angle we made a bracket to replicate the transit mounting holes. And with new heavy duty tie rods it worked a treat. Here are some pics.
One valuable piece of advice i would give is make sure if you are going with a different motor, make sure it is in first, we did the rack b4 the V6 and as you can see we had to cut a section out to fit the pulley, an hours work we could of saved if the V6 was in first.
george
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and a few more
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and finally
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And 2nd finally ;D :D ;) ;)
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I thought since some of the photos had gone from this thread I would add how I mounted my Transit rack.
The tow bracket was a little high & interfered with the rack, so this was sectioned first:
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20161126_131750_zpsq9ny6yva.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20161126_131750_zpsq9ny6yva.jpg.html)
I made my bracket from 8mm plate steel & 75 x 75 x 5mm wall box tubing, cut in half. It mounts directly to the original mounting brackets to give an easy reference point.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20161126_150021_zpsiz2ccipm.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20161126_150021_zpsiz2ccipm.jpg.html)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20161126_162146_zpsqcm8mkpq.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20161126_162146_zpsqcm8mkpq.jpg.html)
The underside of the bracket is boxed to add some strength & stop any flexing.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20161126_192617_zps48ztrek4.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20161126_192617_zps48ztrek4.jpg.html)
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The centreline of the rack sits in the same line as the original rack. Steering sits in approximately the same place / angle, just have to make up new joint.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20161126_192834_zps7yukjgqq.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20161126_192834_zps7yukjgqq.jpg.html)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20161126_192950_zpsnrupe5cw.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20161126_192950_zpsnrupe5cw.jpg.html)
Sending off the rack to be modified next week - lengthening pivot points to avoid bump steer & new tie rod ends - shortened and rethreaded. Still a fair way to go, but I thought these pics may be of use to anyone considering the conversion.
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nice one...ur going w a v6 too ?
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No, 351 Windsor/AOD 4 speed.
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Rack modified by Ultimate Power Steering in Brisbane, all fitted up to reconditioned front end. Cost was about $650 for them to move pivot point with threaded adapters, make new tie rods with thread to take the Bedford rack ends, and test the rack. The advantage of the threaded adapters is if I ever need a new rack, I can unbolt the adapted parts and put on the new rack. Still have to make splined linkage to mate with the Bedford steering column, make hard lines, and mount pump.
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20161211_140627_zpspq0qfksh.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20161211_140627_zpspq0qfksh.jpg.html)
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa424/MickTroeth/20170203_131702_zpswgvoife5.jpg) (http://s1197.photobucket.com/user/MickTroeth/media/20170203_131702_zpswgvoife5.jpg.html)
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Looks great Zeeman
How much $$$ all up to convert to power steering
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Probably about 1500 all up.
Rack was bought a long time ago, was about 200 I think.
Rack modifications 650
New uni joint 150
Splining of Transit steering linkage to connect with uni 100
Saginaw type pump 150
Hard lines, miscellaneous nuts and bolts 150
The bracket and crossmember mods, probably about 6-8 hours work?
Not a cheap conversion, even doing all the work myself. But hopefully worth the effort.
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Cool.
Yeah definatly worth the effort.
Nothing like having power steering i recon.
Cheers
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Do you have an aircon as well,the guy who did my air con gave me the option of one or the other but no space for both -any comments?
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Yes, I am fitting aircon as well.. using a serpentine belt drive setup. Depends on the motor, but there are plenty of bracket kits to use both Saginaw style power steering pump and compressor for aircon. I am using the Vintage Air style setup. Space can be tight in the Bedford engine bay though, the motor needs to be moved back and dropped down on a V8 conversion to fit all this stuff in.
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I never posted the info about the splined connector, if anyone is interested..
The part you need is pictured, the steering connector / u joint from 1990's Ford transit van (same year as the rack)
Spline starts where the dot of white paint is.
And a splined uni joint: Flaming River part # FR2526PL 5/8"-36 spline (Bedford steering column end) and 3/4" - 36 spline (Transit linkage).
Hopefully this info is of use to anyone doing the conversion.
(https://i.imgur.com/PstiKlF.jpg)
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Hi Zeeman,
Any chance of marketing the transit rack & assembly on the BUGA site?
There's lots of interest on the forums & a NZ import seems to be the only (presently) available option.
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I don't think so. To sell as a bolt in kit would probably be north of $2500. And would have to be engineered as well. I doubt anyone would be willing to pay that. All the information is in this thread if anyone wanted to build their own setup. I don't even want to think about how much time and money is sunk into my front end, and it's still not done yet.
The problem is Australia is such a small market for aftermarket automotive stuff. Economy of scale only comes into play if you make stuff for popular models (HQ-Z Holdens, XA-XF Falcons etc.) There are people out there willing to pay for the right setup (hot rodders etc), but in my experience it's not Bedford owners.
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Thanks.
Looking forward to seeing the work on your van one day.
baz