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Technical => Exteriors and Interiors => Topic started by: MaTTe on August 04, 2010, 11:14:05 PM
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Hey fellas, i can get a product that has been produced to the exact same specs as dynamat extreme with some minor improvements, however it does not have any marking/print on it - which many will prefer as you have less waste from trying to line up the logos
It is all the same thickness and product base, come is 36sq/ft boxes which is the same as dynamat too.
I can get it as $180 per box + $20 shipping aus wide(not sure about you kiwis, but i'll sort something out for you)
Now if i get multiple boxes this price will come down dependant on how many are ordered - for example, bugger all for 2 boxes, but significantly for 20 boxes
I'm not sure how many boxes would be required for a bedford, some of the blokes on here would have an idea as they have been thru the process...
I'm just putting the idea out there for now, but im more than happy to do a bit of ground work for anyone if they want a singular order of any quantity, however i think we'd all benefit if we can get a group of us together to order at the same time.
*To the board operators/police* if this is not allowed to be posted please feel free to suspend the thread until we discuss the terms further, however i am only posting to try and help a buga out
Cheers
Matte
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That idea sounds good to me Matte. ;) I would be interested ;D ;D ;D
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Matte
Does the product have any sort of published information regarding its soundproofing qualities?
I am likely to be interested if Neil ever lets me have my van back but their are lots of rip off products around that just dont have the quality and I would want to be sure I was getting the real deal.
I dont really care about logos on the soundproofing as i reckon I'd probably cover it up :)
cheers
Dave
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if you search for dynamat you should be able to find all of that information, im not sure these guys have any published information. they're a fairly new company that basically picked up dynamat, looked at it, said i can make this, then made it, and now are selling it.
Its basically butyl rubber(spelling) with aluminium foil over the top.
Alot of people use it to sound proof sub installs, reduce road noise, reduce panel rattles of doors and boots etc. Dynamat has a good name, just a bit hefty in the $$ department.
I know a few blokes on here have done it, i think Joel Oswald is one, and maybe Mezzmo, plus im sure there are others.
If you can, ask them what they thought before and after the install - or if these blokes are reading, enlighten us to the pros and cons of such products
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I'd be interested, if Mezz or Joe can tell us approx how much per van, I'll want that x 2
Warren
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hey matte, does your product come in a roll, or is it just flat sheets, if so how big are the sheets ? I have been looking at products for my van, I found another product from autobarn [ option audio 6m x 1.2m roll - $420-00 ] I have not gone to look at it yet so i can't comment on it, i have just got all my ducks in a row so that when the time comes i can just pounce and save time. Maybe someone on here has heard of it. Without doing the numbers i guessed i would probably need 3to4 rolls to do my van properly. Dynamat was 5 times the price and only came in small sheets. But i am still reserching up till i have to buy.
george.
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I found another product from autobarn [ option audio 6m x 1.2m roll - $420-00 ]
Shite. For that price I'll turn up the stereo and put up with the noise!
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does any one know how many boxs one would need for a LWB ::) ::). a bloke put dynamate in his fiberglass rod and it convinced me, as long as the sound deadning quality is there 8) 8)
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another way is to use old egg cartons ;D ;D ;D Don't forget to use the eggs first :D ;D ::)
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hey rossie, why use the eggs, food on the run. lol ;D ;D
george
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Quote from: Bedfordcrazy on Today at 10:24:20 AM
I found another product from autobarn [ option audio 6m x 1.2m roll - $420-00 ]
Shite. For that price I'll turn up the stereo and put up with the noise!
plan on keeping your van for next 10+ years rouge? im sure it would be worth it for a quiet van id pay big $$$s
or you could turn up the stereo for the next few years until the van noise gets quieter lol.. (loosing hearing)
ben
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Trust me guys, I will NEVER sell my van, if they dont bury me in it then i dont care what they do with it when i'm gone. lol ;D
Back in 2004 a guy jumped my back fence and offered me $8000 for it unregistered, i sent my shep/rotty dog down to deal with him.
george
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plan on keeping your van for next 10+ years rouge? im sure it would be worth it for a quiet van id pay big $$$s
or you could turn up the stereo for the next few years until the van noise gets quieter lol.. (loosing hearing)
ben
Ha ha. Well I've had it for 20 years so far so I guess it's not out of the realms of possibility. Best I get it going first so I have some noise to actually deaden. Sitting in it and making 'vroom, vroom' noises isn't really cutting it anymore although it is cheap on gas. I think it's going to be pretty noisy sitting on the engine anyway.
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George, its the small sheets not a roll.
The advantages with the small sheets are that it is easier to follow surfaces that are not flat, however you can cut the roll up to achieve this too..... I'm not sure how that works out in sq feet, but it'd be interesting to do a cost comparison. See if you can find out the details of the product to ensure they are direct competitors
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A little bit of Maths
6 x 1.2 = 7.2 square meters
$420 / 7.2 = $58.34 / square meter
Matte how does that compare to your lot.
For the metricly challenged 1 square meter is aprox = 9 square feet - so thats around $6.50 per square foot
Warren
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Warren, you could of atleast done ALL of the maths for me ;)
so if its $180 + 20 shipping, $200 / 36sq/ft = $5.5555555555555
Does that sound right?
So if we can bring the price down, that $1 per sq/ft difference will increase
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so how many feet/box's do you need for a swb? anyone done the whole floor area that can remember how many square feet they used?
this is getting interesting.... im sure if its 1 and a half then members could go halvies in a box ect ect.
i remember putting second hand underlay and carpet in a old L300 (sorry for swearing) and it killed all road noise completely... i was just going to do that again seeing it worked so well last time... over a few layers of sound deaden-er as well.
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sorry to pop any bubbles....... I build limos every day at work, we use dynamat in a minimal way......mainly on any "noisy area's " firewalls , trans tunnels etc AND realy good for large flatpanels that drone ... but it is soooooo heavy we actually can't afford the weight, believe it or not, (once we have a full install, and all) Bearing in mind we have to comply with tyre loads and passenger loads etc. We counter this weight with other products on the market, bunnings do a silver light weight bubble wrap roll we use on the roofs but this simply has to be installed correctly to reap the best benefits (25mm spacing between roof and ins.) I personally have "aquired" a silver backed insulation foam (used in new homes) but that was free..this i will use on the walls and roof, also remember that if you are going to trim out ur van, that this also will have wood, (a good insulator) and foam, either medium or high density ( the later being better for insulation properties.) Finally we use and i recomend the simple car carpet underlay, ( a heavily woven flock of fabric threads) that you can get on the roll and well priced at around $25.00 per linial meter (2.0 mtr wide) BUT make sure you have fixed all leaks as this will absorb any water leaked into your van and eventually smell/rot/rust.
Not saying D/mat is no good, but really ur paying for the name and reputation caused by good marketing.....personally i would love to do what Joel has done, it looks awsome, but i can achieve the same effect at a third of the cost.Plus your not going to see any of this because .....you simply are going to cover it again aren't you, with either another insulator........carpet/ fabric.
at a simple guess,
a SWB, 2.5 boxes will do the floor ONLY, but get 3.5.....fire wall, and good ol beddie engine covers, in and out if you have enough, plus rear wheel wells.Any left over, place inside,outside door skin/panels and in the middle of flat wall panels.
a LWB prob another box as really only that (LWB Panel) extra on the floor.
Dano ;)
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OH AND ONE LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT THING......AVOID F/GLASS INS BATS AT ALL COSTS..... unless you love fixing rust.......look at my LWB front gaurds in my gallery.... these were packed with f/glass. :o
this was commonly used in the '80's......shame,shame,shame.
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I used a whole box of dynomat extreem on my vt commo which was 9 sheets and that covered the whole parcell tray and back seat, spare wheel well and two doors. Cost me $300 and made a massive difference to vibration and destortion for my sound system that I now did the whole car. But I used another product I will get back to you on the name but each sheet was longer than dynomat extreem but narrower but roughly the same in coverage but I got 20 sheets for $350 and that covered the whole floor, fire wall and pillars and I have 1 sheet left. Weight wise it's added buga all but I will swear by it road noise is down heat from the pace makers is gone and can't hear my windy diff so win win and also I have a moderate sound system in it but sounds clear as a 10 k system, without looking like a tossed at the lights with a ratterly car so it is a must do mod in my mind only wish we did it to the beddy now but oh well the next one.
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I was planning to do my floor, the roof and walls and engine cover. Being so thin i suspect the walls would create some noise. Its been so long since i have driven it i can't remember. Hey dano, that underlay you mentioned, i have some of those grey blankets, they use for padding in removalists trucks, they are very dense and thick, could you use that on the walls if you can find something to glue it up there. I use them at the moment when i am in the van working, it stops me from scratching my arse as i slide around the floor. lol ;D
They are about 3mx3m $20 and you would then cover that with your trim, the concern i have would be condensation and moisture being trapped and creating a problem. Just a thought, what are the cons for it ?
Good to have an interior guy on here, thanks dano. Hey dano should do a stretch beddy.
george,
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Warren, you could of atleast done ALL of the maths for me ;)
so if its $180 + 20 shipping, $200 / 36sq/ft = $5.5555555555555
Does that sound right?
So if we can bring the price down, that $1 per sq/ft difference will increase
Sorry Matte I didnt see the 36 sq/ft in your original post - otherwise I would have :D
Warren
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Dano's to busy doing Limo"s,no not Borrie :D
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Hey Dano, have a Q. for a long time now i have been trying to find the foam that interior fabricators use, it's the stuff that you can glue together and then you can cut and sand to get the shape you want for a dash or centre consoles. You can then fibreglass or cover. I have rung all the places that you would think could help, but no one can put me onto a supplier. So i need a contact here in bris for the foam and glue. Also the industry names so theres no excuse for them not knowing what i am talking about. Thanks mate.
george.
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George what i use is 2 pack foam i just make it up in plastic moulds : ie icecream tubs. its ezey to work with and cheap. pop the blocks out and cut and sand them to the shape you want glue them and glass over
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George, have you tried asking at a surfboard/fiberglass supply?
they would be making those board blanks out of a similar product???
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George the stuff youare after sounds like the foam I used to mould the columns and arm rests in my interior. I too am finding it increasingly difficult to obtain cheaply. Most in the industry call it "closed cell foam", I describe it as the stuff camping and hikeing bed rolls are made from. Yes it can be laminated together with F2 glue and sanded with 40 to 60 grit sand paper, its great stuff for custom shaping of interior parts. Check out the pics in my gallery of interior build shows the foam in use. If really stuck for it then could try camping stores for bed rolls and laminate together to make thicker slabs to shape.
Hope this helps
Jeff
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i got some of that stuff george. how much you need?
grandad that sounds very interesting what your doing there. might have to have a chat about that:)
ben
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cheers lads , I appreciate everyones experience, and thoughts / web site as well......george, able is on the money .... chek out local surfboard and kiak ? manufactuerers just ask for offcuts etc. i paid $50 for a very large sheet /offcut from a place in Osbourne park (for perth ites) just down the road from Barbegello's.. it was prob 2.5 x 1.0 x 150 thick, will use this for the front spoiler on me shorty...then galss and paint etc...
Grandad..... what a brilliant idea.....
Jeff the stuff I think you might be after can be obtained from Clark rubber , definately "closed cell" or high density, also boat shops should do it , have used it to trim out boats cabins is also known as floatation foam , very boyant. and yes expensive...try your local trimmers, Daley's in oz distribute it..... we (work ) brought two rolls of the white (very sandable) foam in from the USA , you might have seen it used in Overhaulin.... can't seem to get it here, the blue closed cell foam is about the closest.....
Bed i crazy , yes same same very good cost effective underlay, not quite as dense but you can double up, have used this too get "the job out".... contact glue is the adhesive we use, use a high heat for roofs, spray one coat let it go off do a second coat , let it get tacky but be careful, will stick like babies bless ed to a blanket.... can be re activated with a heat gun if this occurs, clean up with mineral turps. NO SMOKING.... and can get quite fumey, the buzz only lasts for a little while ;D but the head ache don't. :-\....LOL use in a well ventelated area, and or bit at a time...... ;)
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Garry (SundownerNZ) gets the foam he did his dash and panels from Forman Insulation. That's for the Kiwi guys. Don't know about the Aussies. A previous thread went...
Hey George,
Re magazines, there's 61 of them from the first to last. Awesome set.
The panels are all custom made using a mix of ply, foam and fibreglass. Dead easy to do. Cut and fit the ply to whatever your working on, say a door panel. Get some insulation foam from a supplier. Forman Insulation over here have a huge range but in the type I use there are three grades: Soft - brown, Medium - green and hard - blue. I use green. This is glued onto wherever you want to form a shape to whatever thickness you want. Once the glue is dry, sand it to the shape you want. Blow off the dust with an air gun then I fibreglass it using Dynal cloth (fine fibreglass cloth). this folds around curves really well. Then I soak the cloth with resin and roll out all the air bubbles with a fibreglass roller. Once dry I give it a second coat of resin. Once that's gone off I sand it and give the whole thing a skim coat of bog then sand the whole lot smooth. The colour finish is just Dulux 101 interior house paint, semi gloss, applied with a roller which gives a slight stippled finish and that's about it.
There are a number of other ways of doing this. Complicated large shapes can be done by forming the basic shape in mdf, covering with speaker cloth then fibreglassing the cloth, and bogging it from there.
Hope this helps.
Garry.
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=1754.msg16934#msg16934 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=1754.msg16934#msg16934)
Thought I'd check this out when I start la-de-dahing up my dash.
Also here is an old thread on insulation and sound deadening..
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=86.msg889#msg889 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=2&topic=86.msg889#msg889)
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Thanks guys, the one thing i found with a lot of of the people i spoke to, for some reason they did not want to give out their suppliers, weird mob. I am considering doing my cab interior mostly in fibreglass. That way i can get the shapes and design i want.
george
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There are a number of other ways of doing this. Complicated large shapes can be done by forming the basic shape in mdf, covering with speaker cloth then fibreglassing the cloth, and bogging it from there.
you dont have to buy speaker cloth.. for big shapes dunk a bed sheet in resin or any material lay it over the basic shape you made when it goes off you can bog and either make a mould from it or just paint.
i have a fibreglass article in pdf file. how do i post it on here?
cheers
ben
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i have a fibreglass article in pdf file. how do i post it on here?
cheers
ben
Send it to Shane via admin@buga.com.au and he'll stick it in the downloads section under Technical.
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Ben you use your hand and keyboard and it helps to have your computer on as well. ;D or post it to buga.com.au:D
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ha ha good one bas.
ok will do rouge. got heaps of tech articles in pdf form you guys will love em.
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hey guys, for years now i have been looking for a company the does spray foam insulation, i was looking for someone to do my house, but anyhow does anyone here know of anyone that does it, i was thinking of doing the van, could you spray it in the back of the van and then trim it back to the ribs to give it a clean look. Would the spray foam sound & weather proof your van. Then just trim over the top with the final finish. I am just exploring all options b4 i spend money. Would appreciate views from here.
george.
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wanna do good rust proofing first george. spray foam.
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wanna do good rust proofing first george. spray foam.
yep spray foam on steel = rust
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yeah ur not wrong there grandad
yep spray foam on steel = rust (holds water and moisture against steel for longer period instead of draining awayl)
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OK, no spray foam. lol thanks for the advice guys.
george.
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you dont have to buy speaker cloth.. for big shapes dunk a bed sheet in resin or any material lay it over the basic shape you made when it goes off you can bog and either make a mould from it or just paint.
i watched a few speaker pod vids and they use polyester flees. its stretchy add holds the resin better and thicker so that the result is a lot stronger.
i hope to do some long pods for the back corners when i get my finger out.
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Hey Able, i saw rogues dash and centre console and it has spurred me to have a shot at my interior while i am trying to rebuild my bank account to continue with the body work. So let me try and understand :
1. If i make a template of what i want, say out of cardboard, can i then stretch a bed sheet over the cardboard, hit it with resin and wait for it to go off, and in theory i have a console or pod, just in a weakened state till i go over it with fibreglass or bog to strengthen it.
2. Then sand it and smoothe it, and paint or trim it out in leather or something else. Is it that simple ? except for the sheets if my wife catches me. lol ;D
George.
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Hay George, you only need half the sheet don't you. lol ;D
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if you know how to download torrents then these two (which are part of the one dvd) is what i had a look at.... pretty much easy to do it your self after watching them... its a short how to do for pods and kick panels ect ect...
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Fiberglass-1/4358983221bf280ad7f1ab93e68858651a3ca55c161c (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Fiberglass-1/4358983221bf280ad7f1ab93e68858651a3ca55c161c)
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Fiberglass-2/4358e90498323ae1c4fa0fb951dda34aa534fd834ad1 (http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Fiberglass-2/4358e90498323ae1c4fa0fb951dda34aa534fd834ad1)
or if you cant download torrents them give me your address in a private msg and then look in your mail box two days after that. ;) you have a dvd player don't you ;D
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yes george what i did on a console for my sons ute make it up uot of 2 pack foam blocks then cut and sanded it to the shape he wanted then fiberglasss it. sanded and painted it. then caved out the foam to fit
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ben this is the foam that i use http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_DB-j27Qk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC_DB-j27Qk&feature=related)
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Hi all,
Interesting thread.
To comment on the first questions re Dynamat. I've used dynamat in my van, LWB with only a bay window in each side at the rear and rear doors panelled in. I started with 4 boot packs (20 sq ft I think each is) as that was all that was available at the time and ended up using 6 in total. Cost was about $130NZ per pack I think it was. Anyway I did the firewall, front floor, sides, rear wheel arches, roof, rear panel and all doors. I didn't do the rear floor as I already have insulation under a 20mm ply floor with underlay and carpet over that so didn't need it. The difference in noise and drumming from the steel body is awesome. I can now have a conversation with those in the back while driving along at motorway speed without having to shout. Don't know about the knock off products with regards to quality but I do now dynamat works. You don't have to fully cover the panel either. Between 60% to 75% will do the trick. Weight wise it's probably added about 20kg to the vehicle weight but I build my interiors light so I'm not worried and the 350 chev doesn't worry either. Cost wise it may be a bit on the expensive side but the difference is like riding in a limo now compared with a noisy tin box.
Re the foam. There are various ways of skinning this cat. I've used hard foam sheets from Forman Insulation for mine. Comes in 1200 x 2400 sheets, various thicknesses and 3 densities. Try this link
http://www.forman.co.nz/products.php?catid=25&proid=242 (http://www.forman.co.nz/products.php?catid=25&proid=242)
I use the green sheet 64Kg as I've found the brown is too soft and the blue to expensive. You just glue it with PVA or similar to the ply or what ever your using as a base, shape it to what you want with sandpaper then glass over it. I use Dynal cloth, not ordinary fibreglass, as this forms easily into tight corners. Two coats of resin does the trick then sand and paint or cover with whatever you want. Check out my gallery for the results you can get. I've done the dash, overhead console, front and side doors, rear consoles and roof areas using this method. If you want really complex large curves or big areas, build a wooden former like a lattice, cover with cloth (speaker type cloth os sheet as mentioned in an earlier post), resin soak this to set the basic shape, then fibreglass over this, bog and shape it then paint or cover with whatever you want. The Alpine USA (sterio) website used to have a step by step series of build pictures for their radical show cars that showed exactly how to go about doing this but they don't seem to be on their site any any more. I have hard copies of how they do it and it's dead easy. I may be able to scan them and post them here at some stage.
Anyway all I can say is give both dynamat and foam a go. The results are both excellent.
Cheers,
Garry.
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Thanks for that info Garry
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very cool
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Hey Grandad, that stuff looks alot liek the sikaflex foam in a can i have sitting in the shed, i had planned to use it for one purpose, but decided to keep it for entirely another....
works best when you have it in a container as they did in the video so it becomes dense as it expands, otherwise it is really soft if not contained.
Now back to the original subject as those of you with ADHD seem to find it hard to stay focused... ::)
I can get 20 boxes of this product immediately, and more in 10-12 weeks when the production run is complete...
If I buy 25 boxes i can get the price down to $150 per box +$20 shipping...
There will be an extra cost that i'll end up wearing as i'll get the whole lot sent to me, then distribute them from here to save any errors from a third party, im just hoping this will be a minimal cost rather than a major cost...
I will be advertising the same deal on another forum to try and get more numbers to bring the price down a bit.
This will also mean that whoever fronts with the cash first from either forum will receive their products first, so if i have one firm order from this forums and 10 firm orders from another forum, that will be the first batch gone, and the rest of you will have to wait for the second batch. For most this will not be a problem, but i thought i'd outline this from the start to prevent heartache...
Thoughts? opinions? orders?
Cheers,
Matte
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Any idea of price to NZ
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Busy, I dont know a price to NZ, but I doubt it's anymore than $30 a box.
I'll try and find out weight and dimensions so i can give you an accurate quote
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Hey Busy, can I grab a postcode so I can get you a shipping quote? *edit* I just realised aus post dont want a postcode, just your first born son. It's $117 for a single box thru aus post airmail - which is their cheapest service, so i'll have to get some quotes thru shipping companies...
For anyone else interested, I am starting to get a few numbers together from the other forums, so if anyone wants a single box or multiple boxes in the first order - can you send me a PM so i can add you to the list of firm orders so you dont miss out on the first order.
Cheers,
Matte
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for dirt cheap freight go to www.e-go.com.au (http://www.e-go.com.au)
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yeah ben, e-go are great. I've used them a couple of times, but unfortunately they dont do international (or i couldn't figure out how to)
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just got a quoation for the monster pack of dynamat $599.00 contains 6.68sq meters.that was from auto 1 in jandakot.
Armadale autos are gonna ring back monday with the price.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DYNAMAT-Xtreme-Bulk-Pack-10455-9X-Sheets-36SqFt-3-35m2-/180543534603?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessoriesthen (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DYNAMAT-Xtreme-Bulk-Pack-10455-9X-Sheets-36SqFt-3-35m2-/180543534603?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessoriesthen) theres ebay price of $204.00
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why is the mega pack so expensive? its twice the coverage, but three times the price...
For a bit more information I've posted the thread I made up for other forums below:
I have access to a new product made to the same specifications to Dynamat Extreme:
The details of which are below:
Total Thickness: 1.7mm (70-75mil) Approx (same as Dynamat)
Surface Coating: 0.12mm (5mil) aluminum foil reinforce liner(same as Dynamat)
Core material: black butyl (same as Dynamat)
Back: wax paper release liner (better than Dynamat it doesn't deteriorate like the paper backed stuff which can be difficult to remove)
The product has no logo simply for the reason it appeals to genuine restores, builders and repair shops. As genuine vehicle builders will know, it is difficult to source OEM spec materials, let alone ones without marketing graphics pasted all over them. In my opinion these things can date the build of your vehicle especially when trying to improve it and not bastardise it. The lack of logos also reduce wastage from trying to keep the logos lined up.
How does it compare to "Dynamat"; it doesn't have Chip's head on the box and is manufactured directly for an Australian company not an American one, therefore I can get it at a competitive price. I am passionate about building cars therefor focused on usable quality and afford-ability of product.
Besides the acoustic and heat insulation properties, lining the insides of exterior sheet metal is quite beneficial when it comes to surfacing and paint prep, more so on later model thin metal vehicles. The foil coated sound deadener adds a second skin to the doors (for example) stiffening them up when they are sanded.
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Un-branded aluminum coated butyl mat is suitable for the genuine vehicle enthusiaist / builder who demands today’s high end performance, without the aftermarket generic branding that can date your vehicle.
Butyl Mat is today’s lightweight alternative to traditional bitumen underbody and inner body dampening. Butyl Mat has a high temperature resistance and together with an aluminum foil coating it works to reduce the transfer of heat and sound coming in and going out.
The package contains
9 x Sheets @ 460mm x 810mm
Total area = 3.35m2 or 36sq ft
Product Specs
Appearance:
Black butyl based core with 4 mil aluminum constrain layer with wax paper release liner
Dimensions
Total Thickness: 1.7mm (70-75mil) Approx
Surface Coating: 0.12mm (5mil) aluminum foil reinforce liner
Core material: black butyl
Back: wax paper release liner
To compare butyl mat with bitumen mat, see below
Butyl Mat
Flexible through out tempreature range
No heat required to apply
Easy to cut
Non Marking, clean to apply
Chemical Resistant
No smell
VS
Bitumen mat
Brittle in cold temperature
Heat required to apply
Difficult to cut
Smudges and smears
Non-resistant to chemicals
Omits odour
This product retails for $200 per box + $20 shipping which is about $20 cheaper than Dynamat.
I can get the price down to $150 per box + $25 shipping if I can get orders for 25 boxes or more.
I have advertised this same group buy on a couple of other forums to help get the numbers up so we can get this deal even if the numbers are not possible on this forum alone.
The supplier has about 20 boxes ready to go, then the next batch will be ready is 10-12 weeks time.
This will suit most people as not everyone has the money or are ready to buy instantly, however if you are ready to buy now I will be supplying those who commit to purchase first regardless of which forum they are on. This could mean that I have 3 firm orders on this forum and 10 firm orders form another forum which is the first batch sold out, therefor meaning anyone else will have to wait for the second batch. As I said, this will not be a problem for most people, however I though I should outline the situation to prevent any heartache.
I will be having the product shipped to me and then will distribute the orders personally to prevent having mistakes made by a third party. This also means you can make payment to me direct so that I can keep track of the whole process personally. I have increase the shipping charge by $5 to help cover the second shipping cost.
Anyone that is interested is more than welcome to comment in this thread, however when you want to make a firm order I would prefer a PM so that I can get your name and address for shipping, as well as to discuss payment and keep track of orders...
I am willing to accept bank deposits, or cash (if you are in perth), or money orders(if you are not in perth)
For anyone in perth wanting to reduce postage I am happy to have orders in perth picked up, or deliver them within reason for fuel costs, or to bring them to any cruises I may attend - I will still be charging the $5 per box to help reduce the extra shipping cost as described above.
If you have any questions not covered above, let me know and I'll attempt to clear up any confusion.
Cheers,
Matte
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Ok time for some stupid questions:
Dynamat/Butylmat the firewall and engine cover to stop engine noise?
Would i apply it to the engine or cabin side of the cover/ firewall?
Dynamat/Butylmat the doors; inside the door cavity or on the interior face of the door?
Dynamat/Butylmat the cargo area to stop the tin box sound:
cover the floor? roof? walls?
I'm lookin at lining the inside of the cargo area and adding a bed of some description to use as a short term camper, so i want it to be warm and cosy and quiet
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I'd do the inside of the van in all instances, I think it will be ok on the engine side of the engine cover, but can't be sure. I'm going to give it a try when i get hold of mine tho. firewall I dont think the exterior is really necessary, however theres no reason why you can't
Doors can be done internally and externally(inside the van)
and floors roof etc can be done aswell, just depends what you can get to, what other forms of insulation will be near it, and how many sheets you want to use. But if you aren't concerned about the price you could potentially cover the entire interior of the van
Cheers,
Matte
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Cheers MaTTe,
Will measure up and cost it and i'd need to get the OK from the "trouble and strife"
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Ok fellas, I currently have firm orders for 16 boxes, so if anyone wants to get in on the first order I'll need to know in the very near future, as once I get to 20 boxes I'll start collecting cash and then place the order.
Cheers,
Matte
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ok ladies and gents, we have the numbers to go ahead with the order, so those of you who have placed firm orders check your mail, those of you still considering the idea will be able to place orders in the next batch in about 12 weeks time
Cheers,
Matte
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could you sort out a price for us kiwis in nz and how much would i would need to do the front of my amulance
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hey Taz, unfortunately when i looked into this for Busy last time the best price I could come up with was $120 for shipping.
If you know of any good and cheap NZ based shipping companies let me know and I'll check them out for prices.. but otherwise it's cheaper for you to spend a bit more in your local auto shop than it is to have these shipped over.
Cheers,
Matte