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Technical => Driveline => Topic started by: outriding on July 03, 2010, 10:31:57 AM
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What the biggest size wheels that you can fit on a bedford without having to modify the arches?
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Anyway, I found this van with 20" wheels... excessive?
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4126/bthl5uwewkkgrhqyokjevpq.jpg)
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They are nice, but just not on a beddy, to me they just dont suit, would i take them if given, yep sell them for some that suits. lol
george.
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I have a set of Chev wheels with 235x60x16 tyres. They are going on my Beddie, and I don't think I will need to modify the arches.
But a lot depends on how much offset your new wheels have.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html)
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You might have a bit of fun with the 16 x 60's in the front Jeff. I've got some 15 x 50's for the front of mine. Admittedly they are 245's but it's pretty close.
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Thanks Rogue. If I need to modify the arches, :o I will. But there is not too much offset so I might be lucky.
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I have 15" on the back (camper Bedford) 15x275x60 on the front 14" 14x205x75 and It just makes it.
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245x50x15= 24.6" diameter
205x75x14=26.1" dia
195x80x14C=26.3" dia.......Std
235x60x16=27.1" dia
275x60x15=28" dia
But Bas's are deep dish and he has modified arches. I've measured mine up and it will be close.
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If the van doesnt have a flare kit I think it actually looks good with modern large rims and low profile tires.
I found this pic, dont know what size it is, 18" maybe?
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4194/niceone.jpg)
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255 x 40 x 18 is just about the same diameter as the stock wheels...
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I think Griff has 15x60's and I know they rub pretty bad.....I won't be putting any money on the table. I reckon 18's with low profiles would be the best look, don't know 'bout the ride tho. i noticed the difference in just changing from 14x60's to 15x 50's .....the ride was much stiffer. good luck dano
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my van runs 15 x10 with 295 -50 profile and they fit under standard rear guards with just the inside lip of the tub at the chassis rail tucked up but check this mark O has 15 x 15 rims with 381 mm tyres on his LWB he only had to trim about 10mm from the glass flare and they are legal!!! :o
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I hadn't thought about the ride stiffness of a low profile tire.. ???
It's just that it's impossible to find bedford pcd wheels where Im at so an adapter will be the only solution to get some nice wheels on my van and modern wheels are just more available than these older styled deepdish rims.
If I have to go with a modern rim I prefer a big one with low profile tire other than a 14" or 15" rim that just won't look good..
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I will point out this example again, the wheels seem to fit and it looks good.
I also don't have a flare kit so I can't have deep dish style wheels pop out of the body..
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4194/niceone.jpg)
And here's another example of 18" I believe:
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/3408/img0010ln.jpg)
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This one has obviously had body work on the arches, dont want to go there.
(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7072/nicewheels.jpg)
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Just remember also that the facelift model has larger wheel arches than the original version. The Aussies didn't get the facelift version so unless they have modified their wheel arches they would have to have smaller diameter wheels.
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hey outriding, if you go to a beaurepaires and performance wheels, they carry all the old 70s and classic wheels. That is who i got my wheels from. Performance is the supplier, and beaurepaires are the seller.
george.
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Hey George, Outriding is in Portugal so it might be a bit of a trip. :P
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OOOOOPPPSSSS done it again lol ;D hey they might have a performance wheel joint in portugal. lol
george.
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my dad has a set of 15" billet wheels like the one on the black van.. for sale if anyone wants them.. hq pattern or commadore not sure.
ben
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Just remember also that the facelift model has larger wheel arches than the original version. The Aussies didn't get the facelift version so unless they have modified their wheel arches they would have to have smaller diameter wheels.
So I have an '83, so thats a facelift or CF2 if you want to call it that.
I call it a CF2 even though I know CF2 came out in '84 (I will leave that to another post)...
Anyway, I was unaware that the wheel arches were different between the CF1 and CF2, since I have a CF2 I will get away with bigger wheels not hitting? great!
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OOOOOPPPSSSS done it again lol ;D hey they might have a performance wheel joint in portugal. lol
george.
Nope, don't know of any local supplier that carries old style wheels.
You know whats funny? Portugal had a Bedford plant and there used to be thousands of Bedfords in circulation and now there almost impossible to find... even parts.. I mean what the hell happened to all the stock parts? Where are they hiding them?
Also back then "tuning" or vannin' wasn't really an option around here.. so finding something like alloys or body kits I have to search in the UK or France were customizing bedfords was big.
So anyway, being more realistic I will get some wheels adapters made and use a modern setup.
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Another trick is to keep the original wheel centres and have new wider rims welded to them.
Warren
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Thats a possibilty but I want to go to a bigger diameter, the 14" original is quite small.
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And also, my stock tires are 195 R 14 C a size thats getting hard to find because of the "C" rating.
I don't even know how high the profile for this tire is... 60? 75? 80?
Over here you can only use the sizes that are on your cars documents, so If I want to change the size of the tires/rims I have to go through a legalization process that's not to cheap, so I want to chose a size that will work out good so I don't have to do it twice...
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I think the centres can be put in to larger diameter rims if the internal size is the same.
Also I think in OZ so long as the overall tire diameter is no more than 24mm +/- than the stock tire size its OK - so a larger dia rim with lower aspect ratio tires are the same as smaller dia with larger aspect ration.
Warren
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And also, my stock tires are 195 R 14 C a size thats getting hard to find because of the "C" rating.
I don't even know how high the profile for this tire is... 60? 75? 80?
Over here you can only use the sizes that are on your cars documents, so If I want to change the size of the tires/rims I have to go through a legalization process that's not to cheap, so I want to chose a size that will work out good so I don't have to do it twice...
If there is no profile number on a tyre, then it is full size. "80". Which means that the height of the sidewall is 80% of the width.
Also make sure that adapters are legal in Portugal. Another option that may even be cheaper, and will keep the wheels under the guards, is to get the axles restudded to the pattern you want.
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Hey i'm looking at putting 14x8's on my van, and i was wondering if i should go 265/50/R14's or 245/60/R14's
I'm looking at the 265/50's because thats the widest i can find to fit 14x8's
Any thoughts?
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seriously.......make sure you can get the tyres for 14's as there getting very rare now days, so many more options from 15's up......good luck
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If there is no profile number on a tyre, then it is full size. "80". Which means that the height of the sidewall is 80% of the width.
Also make sure that adapters are legal in Portugal. Another option that may even be cheaper, and will keep the wheels under the guards, is to get the axles restudded to the pattern you want.
Ok, thanks, with 80 I can now use the tire calculator.
Im trying to find out if the adapters are legal over here.
I know you guys re-drill your axles all the time but over here I would'nt even know were to look for some shop that could do that...
That I know of, It's not something that people do over here but I will have to consider it if I cant legalize wheels with the adapters. :-\
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Im trying to find out if the adapters are legal over here.
I know you guys re-drill your axles all the time but over here I would'nt even know were to look for some shop that could do that...
That I know of, It's not something that people do over here but I will have to consider it if I cant legalize wheels with the adapters. :-\
I presume you have speedway in Portugal?
If so, speak to the speedway guys, as they know where to get all sorts of engineering done.
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Speedway? like in speedway motors? No we don't have that here.
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seriously.......make sure you can get the tyres for 14's as there getting very rare now days, so many more options from 15's up......good luck
What profile would you put on the 15's
And do they make jellbeans in 15's?
Also i'm having trouble finding anywhere that sells new jellybeans
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why would you buy new jelly beans? they are alloy. they will always come up looking new with a good polish..
i know you can get 15 x 10 jelly beans but im not sure about smaller sizes..
ben
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10's will be too wide i think. Whats the widest you can put on the front easily? looking at putting small flares but nothing too extreme
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14's you will be limited to around 225 wide, you can get wider, but it is far less common for the 245's/265s/295s nowadays
15's you'll be able to source anything upto 295s more easily, but it's not as easy as it once was.
you wont get 295's on the front, i have 245x15s on the front with flared gaurds, i doubt you's get away with that standard.. maybe..
Now, back to the original points..
Speedway is car racing on clay/dirt in an oval. You may call it something different over there, but you get the likes of sidecars(bikes with passengers) sprintcars(single seater v8s with big aerofoils) etc..
Speedway will know about alot of the custom resources, as speedway tends to be the home mechanics outlet of knowledge in racing in a low cost environment.
But if you want 18" or so, you'll ant to consider the future costs of tyres. in aus 17" tyres are considerably cheaper than 18" which are considerably cheaper than 19".
So you'll want to take this into account.
A point was made earlier about the sidewall thickness, the beauty of 15x50 or 60 is that you have alot of shock absorbtion taking place int he tyres rather than transferring thru the suspension into the body. if you have perfectly flat roads where you are, and never plan to go out on rough or corrugated roads, then 18" low profiles will be fine, but i dont think such roads exist.. Its also not just the discomfort in the cabin to worry about, depending on the weight of the van and the quality of the roads, you need to consider the potential damage to rims if the profile is low and the roads are rough.
Personally, if i were to get 17" or 18", i'd chose 17" and get the largest sidewalls i possibly could to increase comfort/reduce damage.
Now, many manufacturers - with a little persuasion, will be able to drill out a set of rims to whatever stud pattern you desire, you just want to order a set of blanks and specify the measurements..
anyway, i hope this helps.
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i am running 14x8 with 225 on the front and 14x10 with 265 on the rear and have no worries getting tyres
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I see what your saying Matte,
I like the 15" wolfrace style mags, my problem is just that I cant find ANY bedford rim.
Well I did see some one in France selling a set of rims but there asking something like 1000 euros which is damn expensive.
I also can't use tires that are too wide because I have no flares and those are impossible to find also.
Buying new blank rims and having them drilled is also an expensive option...
So the most economical and simple solution is some hub adapters and a modern wheel set that I can buy used.
Unless some vintage rims pop up for cheap some where in France or the UK then I don't see another option :-\
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do you have any engineers or machine shops outriding? would you re drill your hubs / axels for a better stud pattern?
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I have some doubts about re-drilling, I don't know if it will affect the structural integrity of the hub..
Ive seen some bad examples on the web..
Even if I re-drilled the studs, wouldn't I need also a machined ring because of the bore size?
Can anyone post some pics of there re-drilled hub? And What PCD did you choose? Thanks.
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I have some doubts about re-drilling, I don't know if it will affect the structural integrity of the hub..
Ive seen some bad examples on the web..
I'd be more worried about using the wheel adaptors. The hubs are really meaty. You'd have to take a lot more metal out than re-drilling involves to affect those.
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im changing stud pattern soon on my grey van. its gt bedford but i want holden hq.. ill let you know when its all done
ben
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you wont get 295's on the front, i have 245x15s on the front with flared gaurds, i doubt you's get away with that standard.. maybe..
What are you running on the rear?
Also what profile are your 245x15's on the front?
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im changing stud pattern soon on my grey van. its gt bedford but i want holden hq.. ill let you know when its all done
ben
Can you document that with photos or video? That will come in handy to many people.
There are a couple of questions I have about this.
The hub studs are spined and they are pressed in so they wont rotate when you tighten the bolts.
(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/124500_lg.jpg)
When you re-drill new holes, from what i have gathered, you have to weld the stud head to the hub on the back... :-\
thats not really as solid as it should be... Imagine that when you are tightening a wheel or removing it that the bolts are a bit oxidated and the welding cracks or breaks... uh ohh.. now your in trouble... how will you remove the wheel?? ::)
(http://offroadingsubarus.com/images/subaru_ea_4to6stud_newstud_weld.jpg)
I found this: http://offroadingsubarus.com/6stud_conversion.html (http://offroadingsubarus.com/6stud_conversion.html)
Also, what stud pattern will you choose?
I have noticed some people go with "Holden" or "Chevy" PCD..
And then there's the question of the center Bore, 84mm I believe.. so the new rim will have to fit snug on there..
Do you grind out the rim to fit since newer rims have a smaller center hole??
(http://www.justforwheels.com/images/how4.jpg)
Usually you would use a "hub centric ring" to get the rim to fit on the hub center but since the bedford center is so big do you grind down the hub center or the rim? Don't think grinding up an alloy rim is that good of an ideia.. ???
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Well first off, that's a shitty weld. A good weld is there forever.
But why weld it?
Drill the hole slightly smaller and then hammer the new studs in. They will cut their own splines, although you may have to level the back of the hub first, but there is plenty of strength there and a little bit of grinding will not matter.
Also you will need to get the thicker studs to fit your new wheels. ( a good idea anyway)
The rear wheels do not have an edge to fit the wheels on, so no problem there.
The fronts may need the centre hole enlarged.....so what's the problem with that? The centre hole will be nowhere near the stud holes.
What Pattern? The same as you new 5 stud wheels of course. :)
But seriously, the larger the PCD the more space to fit the studs, and the better the wheel is held on.
Some BMWs have 120mm PCD , and that should give you a good range of second hand alloys.
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So if I do decide to go with the re-drilling option, I guess the first thing will be choosing a rim to decide on the PCD and then get the corresponding studs for that rim.
I am also thinking you can leave the original stud holes (not fill them) so if you want for some reason to return to the original wheels all you need to do is switch the studs. That's a simple and pratical ideia. :D
About the welding... so its not really necessary? But I guess it wouldnt hurt to give it a small drop, just in case? ???
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hey outriding, as Jeff said, you dont need to weld the studs, i'm not sure why that one has been welded(poorly at that). The head of the stud will be flush up against the back of the hub, the spline will be so tight in the hole that it will need pressing in, so it'll never move, and the wheel studs hold it in anyway.
Look at getting soem good wheel studs like ARP or similar, you'll also need to decide on 7/16 or 1/2 inch studs (or whatever you want in metric)
As for PCD it depends on what range of rims you want or will want in the future. 5x120 is BMW/late holden etc, so there are quite a few designs out there, 5x114.3 is ford/nissan/toyota/etc so there are plenty of other designs out there too. Most late model rims will probably cater for both..
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;D ;D ;D ;) ;) yep I'd bet BMW would be a good choice for europe, nice stylish, cheap too.
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That's what I was lookin at, 5x120 PCD used on BMW's and RangeRover's.
I don't know if some of the rims I have seen are tough enough to be used on a Bedford...
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I found this van in the gallery, its looks pretty good with those wheels!
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=18626 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=18626)
Also, this one looks good with 235 / 45 Z R17 tires and no flares. I wonder if there were any fitting problems?
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=11551 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=11551)
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=11577 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=11577)
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Outriding
The only reason for welding the studs is because the drilled a clearance hole and not a press fit hole when doing the conversion - WRONG.
So as you and others have said - go for the PCD size that you have the most options with.
As for the BMW or Range Rover wheels not being strong enough - well the RR is a 4WD so the rims should be heaps stong enough, and the Beddies arnt that heavy.
If you find a good engineering firm near you, you might even be able to get them to do a disc brake conversion, say using suitable BMW disc's and callipers and drill the rear at the same time.
Any engineering place that is involved in motor racing or hot rods would be were I would start looking.
Find the right people and the rest will fall into place.
Warren
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i spent 60 bucks on drill bits redrilling an axel once to get the right size.. bit tricky to judge what size is perfect lol..
ben
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Ben
The right tool for the Job :D
The important thing is to have accurate messuring tools ie vernier calipers or micrometers for sizing drills studs etc.
Correctly sharpened drills - drills can drill oversized if not sharpend correctly.
Use a pilot drill/hole.
If at all possible it would be better to have the holes machined out using a correctly sized end/slot milling bit - they have more cutting flutes than a drill and tend to be more accurate.
Warren
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If there is no profile number on a tyre, then it is full size. "80". Which means that the height of the sidewall is 80% of the width.
So, by using the tire size calculator I get these values:
195/80-14 has a circm. of 82.6" and the closest match in a 18" rim is and a 235/45-18 with a circm. of 82.7"
If this is correct the odometer won't be off by too much, thats one thing they will check when legalizing different size tires.
Now the harder part is calculating the correct offset and finding a corresponding rim that wont stick out of the fenders.
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Update!
Ok, I know I said I was going to re-drill the hubs but a set of adapters appeared on ebay... and I bought them. They weren't cheap but I can always sell them if it doesn't work out.
From what I have gathered the company here that legalizes new tire sizes won't pass cars that have spacers... well I guess that adapters are the same... but they don't remove the wheels so if they don't see it it's like it's not there... :P
So it depends on the rim... if I can get standard steel rims for the test they wont be able to see the adapters through the rims... ::)
Also, without adapters or spacers I would have to find some sort of deep dish rims because Im guessing the offset would have to be quite large...
This way I can use more standard flush style rim and keep it close to the body.
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What do you think? ;D
(http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/4596/rim.jpg)
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Definitely not. Low profile tyres have no business on a Bedford. You need some more rubber.
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I agree with rogue.
george
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you could proberbly get away with the low profile tyres but you would have to drop it on its guts (lower to the ground),
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my thoughts also
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Humm... not to many fans of low profile tires... :-\
You think it would look better going down 1" on the rim?
45-18" down to 50-17"?
you could proberbly get away with the low profile tyres but you would have to drop it on its guts (lower to the ground),
I have seen how to lower the rear end, thats easy, but the front suspension is another story...
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but hey dont listen to us where aussies.. we have our own ideas.. you got yours. you do what you want not what we want..
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You guys do have tough roads over there, maybe you drive on some dirt roads?
Most of your vans have bullbars and such... I can see the need for more offroad tires...
More "Cushion" on the rubber..
Im in a more "urban" area, the roads are not perfect but most have good asphalt.
My van is also the small wheel base, so it's lighter...
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What do you think about these rims?
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/3058/aeztycoon.jpg)
Nicely polished up to a shinny chrome:
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1948/wsee2010001.jpg)
Or black...
(http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2484/10507447405099.jpg)
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do what "YOU" want mate, thats the value of a true custom van, all diffrent! ;)
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I will pick something I like, I just want your opinions as you guys have been messing with bedfords for years!
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Could I suggest that you stop looking at wheels, but look at the van.
Consider the philosophy of the van and ask yourself:
Do you want "NICE" or "MEAN"?
What colour will the van be?
What shade and size of wheel suits that concept?
When these sorts of questions are answered, the right wheels for it may become easier to choose, in fact you may even know which ones you MUST have.
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Hi Outriding,
Don't like the look of the tires on your van in the pic. Too low profile. What are they by the way? I've been looking at options to increase my wheels to 17" on the front and 18" on the back but won't go below a 45 profile. They just don't look right and you should remember that super low profile tires are a modern trend for modern vehicles with modern suspension. The CF suspension was designed in the late 60's and ride would become really hard and annoying with these low profile tires. I currently run 50 profile tires on my van 14" front and 15" rear and these ride OK but 45 would be the lowest I'd go. The ones in your photo look to be a lot lower than that.
Anyway good luck with your quest.
Cheers,
Garry.
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I see what your saying, the photo I posted may be misleading because Its photoshoped!
The calculations I did to keep the same outer diameter of the wheel is
195/80R14 = 26.3"
235/45R18 = 26.3"
So 45 profile is something more like this:
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=11577 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=21&g2_itemId=11577)
Much more rubber than on my photoshoped pic.
I think I will re-do that with a more accurate aspect ratio.
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Here is the exact size, 235/45/18
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5307/fordtransitsportvan2.jpg)
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This is more accurate as far as the profile:
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/2851/rim2r.jpg)
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on a van i would be doing for myself, that would be fine for the front, but i'd want much larger profile for the back, or have those on the back and smaller profile on the front - but thats the sort of look I prefer.
If you lower the van all round that profile will look fine.
Depending on how good your roads are will decide how happy you are with the profile. Here in perth, suburbia has pretty good roads, but i still feel the joins between different road surfaces regardless of how minor they are. i have 245/65/15 (i think they're 65's) on the front, so you'd want to have VERY good roads or love the look of the rims/tyres enough to look past the problems so you only see the benefits
I think the rims look quite good, i like the black rims, but they would only suit a few colours.
As was said though, you really want to decide what else you want to do with the van, as certain rims will suit different body styles better or worse...
put those rims in the 'keep' folder
also don't be put off by any opinions and equally dont be lead by any opinions, as these opinions are just that
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I see what your saying about a bigger tire in the rear, I like that look also on 15" rims but with these larger rims that effect kind of disapears.. also on a practical note, having all tires the same size has benefits in being able to switch them around.
I might look into lowering the van in the future, I know the rear is simple but I guess for the front it would involve some more complex work.
I like black rims and they look good with the green paint. My other choice is polished up as I might be adding chrome parts. 8)
One of the other reasons Im looking at these rims, is because you can't see the hub adapter behind it... (which is not allowed when legalizing the new wheels... :P)
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Have you got side doors on both sides?
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Have you got side doors on both sides?
Only on the right side, the van is LHD.
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Bringing back this topic,
I havent been able to find bedford pcd wheels,
and I also looked into custom wheels but they are a bit to expensive for me...
so I am now thinking about re-drilling again.
I spotted these pics of re-drilled hubs in jesus_is_alright gallery:
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=28821&g2_serialNumber=2)
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=28824&g2_serialNumber=2)
And I noticed that the studs weren't welded, so they are just pressed in?
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yes the studs are only pressed into the hubs of most vehicle's.
as for bedford stud pattern and larger new style rims - 17/18/19/20/22inch rims
if your running standard bedford pattern - 130x 5, the rims off
Porsche cayenne,Audi Q7 and VW touareg SUV/4WD's have the same stud pattern
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I was actually thinking more of 5x120 of BMW X3, X5, Range Rover...
they seem more easier and cheaper to get than Cayenne or Q7 wheels..
What am I am more worried about is the center bore on the bedford hubs (110mm) is larger than on other hubs and the wheels wont fit onto them.. :-\
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Just building my bedford and have put 20 by 14 on the back and 20 by 8.5 on the front and running a 335/35/20 and a 245/35/20. To make this work it has been a full body custom job and to some one that is thinking of getting bigger wheels just make sure you no what your getting yourself into its no as easly as you think
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Outriding - depending on how much "meat" surrounds the centre bore you can always find a machinist/specialist and have the centre machined out
to fit, i recently had this issue when putting a set of mags onto my daily driver and had to have the centre's machined out 5mm to fit onto it.
Grunta - wow 20 by 14's now thats huge rim to slap under the back of a cf, it would be interesting to see photo's of the body work you have had to have done
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Just building my bedford and have put 20 by 14 on the back and 20 by 8.5 on the front and running a 335/35/20 and a 245/35/20. To make this work it has been a full body custom job and to some one that is thinking of getting bigger wheels just make sure you no what your getting yourself into its no as easly as you think
Please post up photos of your conversion! 8)
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yes the studs are only pressed into the hubs of most vehicle's.
as for bedford stud pattern and larger new style rims - 17/18/19/20/22inch rims
if your running standard bedford pattern - 130x 5, the rims off
Porsche cayenne,Audi Q7 and VW touareg SUV/4WD's have the same stud pattern
Hey Greasey Monkey,
Standard CF Bedford stud pattern isn't 130 x 5, it's more like 6" x 5 (152.4 x 5). That's why it's near imposible to get late model rims to fit.
Garry.
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Hey Greasey Monkey,
Standard CF Bedford stud pattern isn't 130 x 5, it's more like 6" x 5 (152.4 x 5). That's why it's near imposible to get late model rims to fit.
Garry.
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whoops i got that wrong, a mate told me it was 130x5 just after i got my cf - that will teach me for listening to him
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but you are correct that 5x130 is for Porsche cayenne,Audi Q7 and VW touareg,
That's why I was saying I would rather re-drill to 5x120 than 5x130,
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This van has 19" mags, looks good.
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yes studs are pressed in, re-studding cost $60
just a thought, i changed to holden HQ stud pattern and kept the 7/16th thread studs (bedford,holden)
If i were to change to a ford stud pattern, i woulda replaced the studs with a ford stud which have a different thread.
A ford pattern with holden studs would make the next owner very confused
i had my center bore hole for my front mags machined out to 89mm from memory, cost about $280 for 4 mags.
and yes i also believe the beddy pattern to be 5 on 6" (152.4mm) with a 7/16 stud
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check this out, this is the first van with 30" wheels... crazy!
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There too large in my opinion...
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yeah, too big i recon as well,
and they wouldnt last long on Australian roads thats 4sure
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there ugly as..
i have 18x9 now on the rear of mine with 275/40/18
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Cmon Keith... show us some pics of those wheels ;D
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295 /50/ 15 under the wifes
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Fit what you like it's your choice just make sure it's safe and those bloody low profile O-ring tyres give a harsh ride after a while you might be pissing blood
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I've got 335/35/20 on mine had to rebuild the back end and front
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335! dang thats huge got any pic's?
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(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w156/vintageholden/IMAG0274_zpsaa356666.jpg)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w156/vintageholden/IMAG0275_zpsa0ea3aa4.jpg)
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w156/vintageholden/IMAG0276_zps91b4a7cc.jpg)
sorry there late i forgot...
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That size is nice but the rims need more offset
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its a 10 bolt a bit short
putting in a borgewarner soon..lengthened...
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what about the front?
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only got 2 for now to see if they fit..
going 7 1/2 on the front with 225,s
there speedy cheetah
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Sweet wheels. I love the dish.
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there 5x120..commodore..18x9..wanted 10 but they dont make them..
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Still think mine would of looked better hey Danno LOL ;D ;D ;D