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Technical => Driveline => Topic started by: delrazor on June 19, 2010, 05:51:10 PM
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Hi, its mr questions again.
I want to install a trimatic in my lwb(single wheel) 202
I would appreciate any advice on purchasing said gearbox, anything that should be considered while it's out, any other things I need for the big day.
Is there a step by step instruction anywhere?
If I had to pay someone, what do y'áll expect it may cost?
cheers
derek
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Oh, and it curently has a borg warner t5, so would like to know if anything has been done to it that needds to be ún-done.
cheers
derek
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Hi Derek dont forget to change the brass bush in the end of the crank you need a different one if you change any gearbox. just good to know before you put everything back. Allan
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you have an original diff in that van.. going back to a non overdrive box will limit you to 80kphish and fuel econ will plumit. can you consider another overdrive box? auto or man..
otherwise a new diff... to go with the straight through box
ben
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I was wondering about the diff ratio.
I have found that the first is really tall (kinda like second in a ute) and on the highway I hardly need 5th.
Ill go out and count the turns now.
derek
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15turns on the shaft to 9 turns on the axle.. with one wheel up,. not two
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so by ben's reckonin' from another thread I half the wheel turns, making it 30:9
which would be 3.33:1
how am I doing?
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yeh why did i trust that womans words anyway!!
sounds like you got a hwy diff! well done. get rid of the borg wagner box, im told they suck anyway. go auto youll get a bit of help getting her going in 1st from the tourque converter..
last check.. check for welds around the axel housings near centre to see if diff has been mofifyed.. or post a pic of diff centre from the back and someone on here will know..
cheers
ben
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Cool, some good news.
So do I grab a trimatic from the wreckers/ebay then rebuild it, or are reco ons available?
derek
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educated guess raze would be cheaper to reco it yourself, if time permits an u like trans oil . .( my armpit still shudders ;D) that way u know it been done prop like too. the other opt of someone else usually means more $$$ :'(
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you cant reco autos yourself.. need too much tooling and know how..
i have a few trimatics lying around from vans and what not. interested in a drive?
ben
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Thanks mate, I'd love one.
do I then take it to a tranny place and get ti reco'd?
What would that cost?
I just looked up Yarram. Probably have to wait till the baby is born and settled before going on a mission like that.
cheers
derek
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hey del, i have a turbo 700 gearbox that is going into my van, and to recondition or service i am looking at between $1,200 and $1,800, i could get it done for less then a grand, but the guy would be suspect. lol Mine is slipping in 2nd, so i am getting them to redo the whole thing so i dont have to worry. This is one thing i wont be working on. lol
george
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My ideal scenario is finding a bedhead that has a good trimatic but really wants a 5-speed (with a new clutch, etc).
We meet up somewhere and drop-n-swap.
So who wants a loverly 5-speed? (with a novelty knob)
derek
ps I imagine there would be a shopping list for this on top of the box itself.(gaskets/seals. shifter, etc)
Anyone got a checklist somewhere so i can start collecting bits?
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hi mate. my name is darrin and am new to this site but have been watching for years. always been a beddy nut. got 5 at moment 6 by end of weekend. if sale pans out. noticed your in collingwood. i'm st albans. an i have a box to swap for the 5 sp. have to get it from near ballarat. good auto. also have 3sp manual box. ur wanting this for a six yer. mate has 1from vr commy. is that an option? i can talk him round. gis a call if your intrested.
ta Tebo85 0411306458
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I am unsure if the commodore one wi suit.
Maybe someone on here can say.
Cheers
Derek
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depends what model commodore, if it just the straight six motor then yeah will be trimatic, if V6 then wont fit
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He says its from a vr he says , so you are right it wont fit with out a conversion kit
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orright I bought a trimatic on ebay.
"selling my trimatic it came out of my HJ van but its originally from a VH commodore
it had been rebuilt by fluid drive and has done less than 1000kms since
suits Holden 6cyl
includes torque converter"
I guess I need a shifter, flexplate, oil cooler etc.
Any tips for the shopping list?
do i have to mess with the mounts?
I would like to get everything I need together and then find a pro/semi pro to do the job.... quickly.
cheers
derek
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Oh, and what happens with the pedals? can I convert the clutch pedal to an airhorn switch?
derek
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mounts are the same. or should be. althou if its from a vh i think the shifter is on the left hand side which is a bit of a pain in the butt.
what a good idea with the clutch pedal!!
dont forget that little brass bush that pushes in the back of the crank.. its most important.
ben
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you can do it yourself you know.. its quite simple. you may find it quicker to do it yourself cause you dont have to wait for your pro to be available to do the job.. and even for your first should have it done in a day or 2 id think. no better way to get to know your vehicle either:)
dont forget oldholden.com is a great resource for holden stuff too. it will have all the nessasary steps to take converting man to auto.
cheers
ben
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I'm starting to get my head around it all, thanks fellas.
Shopping list...
flexplate
oil
Gaskets?
shifter (wrong side I think) whatever that means.
kickdown switch????
Bolts??? I read there were different lengths.
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call me 0430053679
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Thanks for the chat Ben.
Ill collect the box, then start shopping. I'll look around for a cable shift so the 'wrong side issue' doesn't matter.
derek
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I picked up the tranny today (ooh vicar), so I now need to identify what I need to buy.
For a start I had better make sure I know what the tranny is exactly.
The tag was hard to read but I made out the following... "A 0972272", and tgere is a large 10445 stamped in the casing.
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HI Guys, not trying to hijack this thread but my mechanic is doing some work on the van for me and he needs a left hand top arm for the cf short wheelbase cf as mine is too worn and may have a crack
also needs new bushes to suit.
does anyone know where to get one? are they still available?
regards
Heath
Ps I need them fairly quickly
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got one guys.
thanks to ben again
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Are there any 4spd auto's out there with overdrive worth putting in a Beddy (SWB Red 202)
I'm thinkin the overdrive gear will help out heaps with fuel economy
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I've measured my gearbox and it is around 70mm longer than the trimatic.
I may be best to just get a new driveshaft BUT I am still unsure if the stock one will bolt onto my diff coupling. This is because i am not too sure of the diff i am running.
Anyone have any pics/measurements of the stock coupling?
derek
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you can get a spacer to lengthen your tail shaft, they yous to supply them in some kits from castlemain rod shop but now i think of it , it will proberbly be cheaper to chase a second hand one from Ben or some one else that has parts. someone would have a secound hand one
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when i get my new camera.. hopefully today:) i take some pics for you derek
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I might be wrong but I thought beddies had the flat flange with four bolt holes as standard - as aposed to the half moon and ubolt type on many cars.
I also have a standard tail shaft laying around.
Warren
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true warren..
and my camera doesnt have a card:(
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Derek
Thats the half moon ubout type, dont think my tailshaft will suit :-\
I tape messure and wreckers is your friend ;D maybe a holden wagon or statesman one might fit
Warren
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I will continue updating this process on here for the future reference of others. good and bad.
costing update. what i have gleaned so far from Ben the hot rod dude, Chris from the cafe and You lot on here.....
trimatic - mine was 102.50 on ebay including the shifter (commodore LHS)
flexplate - I am assuming around 150. no biother as I have a ford one I need to return to bursons from the aborted transit project.
tailshaft - My diff is not OG. My box is 70mm longer than a trimatic, and has a different yoke. The upshot is I need to get a tailshaft build. Got a rough quote the other day of $280. Trouble is I need to disable the car before I can send them the old one and have the measurements.
trimatic yoke - will leave this to the tailshaft dudes as my setup is unknown - maybe 80 bucks
Brass bush - dunno but cant be more than 20 bucks - ish
kickdown sender switch - dunno - maybe a few hours to fit and wire up
shifter extension - will be following John Abbots pics to extend the conformadore one. Maybe hours in the fab shop.
oil cooler - Ben has one (not sure how much) Lines and fittings a few bucks and a few hours.
actual installation - i feel i may have to do it myself as I cant drive it home from the mechanics in order to install oil cooler, shifter, tailshaft etc. Will block it up in the street and work quickly.
derek
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gday Derek im just around the corner in fitzroy... would be surprised if u havent seen my van parked on the street... id be keen to catch up for a bit and check ur beddy out and vise versa. have u been to steves wheels in sunshine? im sure he still has a few old beddies lying around in his yard. from memory there is a few autos and im sure theres some parts u can get for ur auto transfer eg tailshaft... check him out.. givvus a call or text. luke 0416643743
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yeah mate I gave you a wave on smith st before realising I wasnt in my van. woulda looked like any other nutbar on smith st.
I'm in easey st on the weekdays if you are around.
derek
0411 728 364
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Hi Guys,
Just took my CF Motorhome for a run down the coast with a mate.
I had heaps of trouble with the linkages on the aussie 4 speed box
she would jam in reverserse and I had to jack up the the back wheels
off the ground to release the tension before it would release.
Also it seems to shudder in reverse and often stalls the motor.
The Clutch seems very heavy.
The Motorhome is big and heavy 3.5 GMV and powered by a a 202 six
on LPG & Petrol. LWB dueal wheels.
The Diff was changed from 5.222 to a 4.1.1 but Im flat out getting to 90KPH
I would love to consider puting in a hiway diff but concerned I wont have enough
torque to get up steep hills (like where I live i need to have her in first gear)
If i went to a hiway diff I understand I will get better top speed on the motorway
(maybe 100 to 110 KPH) but what about getting off at the traffic lights or climbing
hills??
ALso if I keep the 4.1,1 diff but put in a Celica or Supra 5 speed eg W57 would
that be better or still have trouble climbing hills.
What about the tri-matic with this diff anyone got any ideas?
I have a 14 foot boat I would love to take with me but don't want to risk towing her up hills as the beddy is just too
slow and the motor over heats.
Where would I best go in Brisbane to buy a tri-matic or 5 speed manual box?
Cheers
Ian
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Worby876
I had the same trouble with the linkages always jamming, after removing and reshimming the same problem returned shortly afterwards in the end I put in a trimatic auto and all good now
Cheers
Joe
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Ian I think you'r gona need a V8 & auto to move that mother + tow a boat the old 202 is a good motor but not that good not enough torque cheers Reid
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I think Restoreid is right, the 202 is a great motor, but well under powered for your camper, check my Gallery, I have a camper with a 202 fully worked 3 speed trimatic with overdrive and a 3.5 ratio rear end, have changed it to a 4.1 good low down power and good top end with the overdrive, but the problem the motor has to work hard and this is something you don't want on a relaxing road trip. I am changing to the VN Holden 3.8 v6, no more power problems and drives with ease, sometimes it better to make new than try and fix old. My thoughts anyway.