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General Category => Members Rides => Topic started by: suterman on November 26, 2009, 03:44:34 AM
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Ok its the biggy.
I've always been rubbish at painting cars and stuff, never been able to get anything like a good result so I decided to get some help.
The wife and I got this LWB CF2 in march 09. its pretty rare to find on in such clean condition, it only had 11,000 miles on it when we got it (now 19,000) anyway its got some rust round the screen, rear hinges, roof, roof gutters arches, bonnet and under the bonnet at the sides on the flat plates above chassis rails and although it only minor at the moment, its only going to get worse, the van has a factory paint and a respray by the camper conversion company and the respray is starting to show signs of wear. Along with other dings and scratches I manage to put a nasty dent in one of the rear doors this summer.
The paint is going to be similar to now, two tone silver and gunmetal grey but using a GM and Honda colours.
Other than the respray, the van is getting custom made steel arches, front valance and side skirts to complement the Slotmags.
I also want to fit different seats as the old ones are not so good, I was thinking Volvo 740 seats would be nice.
New carpet and sound deadening in the floor.
Recovering of the door cars and dashboard cradle thing to bring the upholstery up to date a little.
Some reworking of the cabinets to incorporate the 12V cooler box and make more use of the space available, chucking the 2 ring hob and grill as its taking up space and we only use the portable gas ring (aerosol type) and BBQ for cooking anyway.
Intstalling 7" DVD screen in the back.
Slightly less goofy wing mirrors.
Any more suggestions?
The Van is now at my mates shop, Emptied out, carpet is out, I have started stripping small things off, It will be started on properly next week when it goes indoors. ;D
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Along with other dings and scratches I manage to put a nasty dent in one of the rear doors this summer.
Reversing camera? ;D
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Would you be looking at putting a spoiler on the front under the bumper:) The pick I have got as my user is similer to what I wnat to make mine.
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glad youve got money bro:)
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Heh, I was parallel parking in france in a busy town centre, I hit a bollard that was right in the middle of the parking space!!??! I was like WTF! a bollard in a parking space!!? grrrfttt! Didn't see it in my mirrors. :-\
Yeah, just a little lip on the front, at the bottom of the bumper maybe 1 inch from top to bottom
Wont have money for long at this rate..... :D (who cares, you cant take it with you when you go)
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Sounds like you might need that reversing camera after all :)
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Hey Guys, I'm also looking at putting flares/arches on my CF shorty, but I was talking too a panel beater about fibreglass ones, and blending them into the van, but he seemed to think moisture would get in and it would rust b/w. And that they only do that on show cars that don't get driven/ go near moisture, He said I should just mount them on the outside.
But here I am trawling through all these photos/ gallerys and they are all glassed on. (I dont like the idea of just sticking them on either)
Have any of u guys had any problems with this, or is this panel beater just old fashoned,
Cheers Owen
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The panel beater could just be being lazy.
I have recently spoken to a panel beater about getting stell ones put on and he was going to weld them and make them smooth etc.
I have also put fibreglass ones on my first van and have had no problems one of the things I was going to do with the fibre glass ones was also fibre glass the underside of them in around the wheel arch but I never got around to it and they are fine. The rest of the van is stuff now though thats why I working on a new one :)
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owen you can get bolt on flares, readily available. i asume you dont have a CF2. i know a bloke that sells them:) ill pm you his number.
and yes if you fibreglass flares on you will create spot for moisture.
every time ive pulled a flare off a van that has been glassed on i always!! find rust. i dont know how to overcome this problem. either go full fibreglass (cut the guard off) or full steel i guess. or bolt ons. im sure there would be a way to protect the metal but im not sure what.
the problem is that fibreglass doesnt really stick to metal that well, so you need to bring it back to bare metal for it to adher, then it will seperate over time and condensation will sit in there and make things rust.
ben
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Come on Ben it's time to catch up with the times ;D, Epoxy resin and mico fibres mixed together to form a adhesive filler to stick them on with, will last 20+ years with no moisture and sticks like shit to bare metal, couldn't even seperate the two with a hamer, and ofcourse no rust will form. If you just rivet the flare on then glass over the top with Polyester resin and matt if will crack and lift and also let the moisture in that will turn to rust in time.
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Fibreglass flares, if bonded on properly, will work well and shouldn't cause rust problems. You need to rough up the steel, clean it then hit it with Deoxidine or similar (phosphoric acid coating) then etch prime it. Bond the flare to the steel body with a good mix of chopstrand mat and resin between and screw the flare to the body in a number of places. Once it's gone off, grind the tops off the screws then fill any gaps with glass and resin. Once done use filler to blend into the body and prime and paint as normal. You also want to coat the area under the guard with a bitumen type sealer to stop water and stone chips underneath. Did this with my old van and had no problems at all. Having said that i'm a fan of steel and my current van is all steel.
Hey Suterman. Vans goin to look great mate. You definately need either a reversing camera or reversing sensors. I have sensors on mine and wouldn't be without them or a camera. Especially with the van being so wide, you can't see modern cars behind it when parking using just the side mirrors as they're too narrow. And the 7" screen in the back is far too small. I had a 10" in mine and have just upgraded to a 19" LCD. Totally awesome.
Post us some pics as you progress.
Cheers,
Garry.
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cheers, I guess a parking sensor wouldn't be a bad idea.
The DVD screen and player I got for free of my mate with the paint shop, they're only cheapy ones, a bigger screen would be nice.
I will keep the thread updated.
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Come on Ben it's time to catch up with the times Grin, Epoxy resin and mico fibres mixed together to form a adhesive filler to stick them on with, will last 20+ years with no moisture and sticks like shit to bare metal,
Fibreglass flares, if bonded on properly, will work well and shouldn't cause rust problems.
yeh well all the vans ive ever seen they mustnt have done it properly cause every single one has had rust underneath the fibreglass, same with fibreglass repairs, i havent seen one without rust around it.
ill have to have a chat to you bas about it:)
ben
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how things are looking now, carpet out, anything loose removed, cabinet base behind drivers seat removed.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC06224.jpg)
I re-did the cardboard templates, and also did a rough front valance to see how it will look.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC06226.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC06233.jpg)
Other things in the shop....
The world champ Legend racing (3/5 Scale rod style racer with a 1300cc bike engine (madness!)) series's new car (or so I'm told) in for a flames paint job.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC06228.jpg)
Jag, had a full, bare metal rebuild, nearly done. (my mates shop is specialise in old Jags) Sorry for the shite pic.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC06229.jpg)
Another pic with other jags.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC06230.jpg)
Cutting the sheet metal for the arches tommorow night ;D
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hey man I reakon that going to come up sweet I do like the extra on the front bumper, keep us up to date
Cheers Phil
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that's looking good suterman, i thought those Auto shifters were Aussie only , I'm mistaken, coooool 8)
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after talking to bas nz i have been shown how to stick flares onto vans without rust forming. very handy to know
you wil need
Epoxy resin R180 + Hardner
Cabosil F08400
both available at FGI 0395505669 - Springvale, melbourne
clean up body to stick flare onto, sand wax off back of flare to glue with
mix resin and hardner well, then mix in cabosil which is a fine powder and which has the maximum bonding power same as whats used in aroldite appartenly, mix till desired texture to form a glue, apply your adhesive filler, screw in place or pop rivet.
once dry grind pop rivets down or screws, apply more adhesive filler up the body maybe 2 or 3 inches?
grind down once all cured, bog with body filler
apparently this way will last forever with no rust forming underneath where you have had to grind down to bare metal, and the glue will never seperate unless grinded off:)
sounds wiked im excited!!!! get excited!!! oh here is the bad parts..
prices quoted from FGI.
epoxy resin and hardner pak
1kg $32
5kg $96
24kg $336
Cabosil
1kg $36.30
10kg $165
by the sounds of things you dont need a whole lot of cabosil to the amount of resin so i think most economical for me would be 5kg resin, 1kg of Cabosil
cheers
ben
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Funny you should mention that, my buddy at the shop was just fitting some new arches to an xj40 (circa 1990) he was gluing them on and was saying about thats how they were done at the factory, he was saying about how the resin bonds and there is no moisture allowed to the metal, therefore no rust.
(footnote) The XJ had been repaired previously in the same place but the repair arches had been fixed in place over the old rotton ones. :o
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Progress!!!!!
After waiting outside the bodyshop since late November work began properly on the van tonight....
Pics....
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07360.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07362.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07365.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07374.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07382.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07385.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07387.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07388.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSC07395.jpg)
The rear arch is going to be turned up at the bottom in the end so there will be more of a gap than now.
Get the other side on tomorrow and then sort the valance.
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dude bi hope your gunna get some suspension travel out of the rear flares!!.. but looks awesome.. nice work>>
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that is looking Orr-Some. I have made a cardbord mould of the front flare to go onto my van looking very similar to what you have achieved I have been able to bring it lower over the front tyre similar to what shows on the back. But I forsee I am going to have more external curve so that I can achieve the suspension travel that ben is talking about I will attach photo shortely
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(http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w335/The-ArcHiTech/Mk2%20Bedford%20restoration/DSCF5526.jpg)
I also have other picks refer to http://pbckt.com/s3.NeA (http://pbckt.com/s3.NeA)
Cheers Phil
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Ben, your post is correct, but not sure about the filler product, over here it's goes by the name F904 Adhesive Filler by Nuplex this is the maximum adhesive. You can contact Fibreglass International ABN 2500 045 572 - 49 - 61 Stephen Road, Botany, NSW, Australia, and they will have the correct name if you state it is known by this at Nuplex New Zealand. But by the sounds of it Ben, this is what you have done. Cheers mate. You are right this way I have used alot and no problems as for the mix rate it is 1 litre of powder to 1 litre of resin.
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Phil, The problem with the front gap is the wheel is smaller than the rear one and the arch is bigger so the gap looks massive, also clearance for steering/ suspension travel is vital. I need to increase the gap on the rear arch I made the panels about 1 inch too thick at the bottom on purpose so I can fold a lip on. the front arches will also have a lip but it will be welded on.
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DON'T PANIC!
I went back and did some more work under the instruction of my mate Alex (Body shop guy) this evening,
I started off by drawing confusing lines all over the place.
Then, using a 6" adjustable spanner I started to bend the edge over bit by bit, shrinking it as I went.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07413.jpg)
I got to the point where I had to take the wheel off to bend any further so took my time, I took the wheel on and off quite a few times in the end.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07417.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07418.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07428.jpg)
I kept on with the spanner for a bit then used a hammer and dolly to flatten and further shape the lip right round to clear the tyre with the spring fully depressed. I left the top bit less flattened to give more rigidity. With the van jacked right up with the jack under the axle on the side I was working on It was easy to check for clearance. It was too tight to start with and was rubbing on the tyre so I levered it out gently with a crowbar.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07430.jpg)
That should just about do it.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07434.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07439.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC07438.jpg)
I am much happier with it than I was yesterday but it still needs a lot of work.
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That is coming up mint. I have in the past on the front guard of an old cortina used a metal baseball bat to put a roll on the front arch. Got a few mates to sit on the front of car ot keep the pressure on the guard and the tyre and it made a really nice edge instead of using a spanner. It allows it to mould aropund the tyre using the baseball bate take oput the spanner kinks.
Just a thought
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Hey Suterman,
That's lookin pretty cool. Like the shape of the rear flares. One thing I would have done before rolling that lip under would have been to clean up under the guard and cover it with etch primer or similar just before hamering up the final shape. Looking at the photo's it looks like bare metal under there and you don't want any water tracking down between the guard and the lip.
Looking forward to seeing the end result. Going great.
Cheers,
Garry.
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Mmmm more wide tyres... ;D
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Cheers Guys.
We ground off all the paint before we started, there was some rust coming through on the original arches. The whole area will be thoroughly treated and undersealed dont you worry. ;D
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coming up a treat, metal is good
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Well I got the other rear arch done, Now moving onto the fronts is a different story. I want the front bumper to be removable so I'm altering/adding to the end caps so the front part of the arch is fixed to them and not the van.
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Front Arches, bumper endcaps.
I got some thick sheet and cut it to match the outer profile of the bumper endcaps.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/DSC07978.jpg)
Drilled through and fixed the front plate to the endcap.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/DSC07980.jpg)
Alex then tacked both front and rear plates onto the arch and cut off the arch at the top of the endcap.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/DSC07995.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/DSC07998.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/DSC07997.jpg)
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(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/DSC07989.jpg)
Now I have to make a plate for the back, top and bottom of each section.
More tomorrow.
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Did more work on the front today, a lot of scissor/pizza boxes/jigsaw/file work done mostly with my tougne sticking out of the corner of my mouth.
I took it up to Alexes and held things in place while he welded.
They're not perfectly symmetrical but they both match up with their corresponding panels.
When I arrived at the shop I had a prototype cardboard template for the endcap valance piece but Alex said, "You cant use that template!"
"Why not?" I asked.
"You've used Dr.Oetker Pizza boxes and you need to use Chicago town for that kind of work really" :D
He's a jolly chap.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/day2/DSC08002.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/day2/DSC08005.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/day2/DSC08006.jpg)
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keep those pics coming!! doinhg well!
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Yeah man that coming up a treat. I am very keen to keep seeing pics. You are showingmine I hope you don;t mind me copying ;D
What made you decide to keep the plastic ends of the bumber and not make new steel ones?
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Yeah man that coming up a treat. I am very keen to keep seeing pics. You are showingmine I hope you don;t mind me copying ;D
What made you decide to keep the plastic ends of the bumper and not make new steel ones?
Copy away mate, I dont mind at all.
I think it would be very hard to make steel endcaps, I am struggling as it is, ;D
Here is the latest. Though progress has stopped for a day or two as I have a nasty cold at the moment.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/day2/DSC08017.jpg)
I've only done this side in steel so far but I've made a template for the other side.
ps. all the gaps between the plastic and metal will be fibreglassed in and filled over.
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have a look at Garry's van he has made the whole side skirts etc from steel. His would be a bit different though as to keep the bottom curve etc like you have looks Orr-Some keep up the good work, and me upto date
Cheers Phil
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have a look at Garry's van he has made the whole side skirts etc from steel. His would be a bit different though as to keep the bottom curve etc like you have looks Orr-Some keep up the good work, and me upto date
Cheers Phil
OK phil
Where can I find pics of garrys van?
I find this forum difficult to search.
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Try this link
http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=11475 (http://www.buga.com.au/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=8&g2_itemId=11475)
His slightly different as his is a mark 1 but still gives the idea
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Uggh, Ten hours laying turf today whist trying to shake off that cold the had me in a fever yesterday.
No work doing tonight, Beer and internet for me.
I see what you mean about the bumper.
I dont think it would suit this van, As I'm keeping everything else stock. I've kind of been through this before I wanted a "rolled pan" on the back of my 240 as I like the shaved look but, I only got as far as stripping off all the trim and rear bumper trim (to cut out rust on the tailgate slam panel) I think I was going to take the front bumper off that and put a flat front on it. But the practicalities of running a car with no bumpers?
This is what I ended up with.
(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/suterman101/no%20return/DSC04664.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/suterman101/no%20return/?action=view¤t=DSC04664.jpg)
1990 Volvo 240 estate. nicely sorted 2.3 turbo conversion, Rebuilt 2.3 block and head T3 turbo, Manual boost controller with boost almost doubled) Bilstein HD shocks and -40mm springs, polybushed all round, 16 wheels with 225/50/16 tyres ((it was a hoot I once over took a DB9 at 120 mph he bottled it at about 110)))
but looked like a shed
Anyway......................
I've drifted off.
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dammit, I wqas meant to be combing my hair then and now its dried all knotted.
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I think what I mean to say is that I want a balanced look, that is to say just the arches to complement the wheels and the front valance.
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yeah I know what you mean. I was thinking of just taking the plastic bits of and then welding steel to the rest of the bumper and tyinf that back to the new flare in the same respect as what you have donw by keeping the plastic one. I just though it might be easier than the attachments that you have made to attach to the plastic one
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Ahh ok, but then you'd end up with the bumper stuck on the van permanently, which is what I;m trying to avoid.
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Would that be a problem. as the Mk1 vans have a fixed front and you can still get the motor etc out
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I dunno? I've never pulled an engine on these, I'm just playing it safe.
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More progress today.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1982.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1983.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1984.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1985.jpg)
I finished off the other endcap corner piece, then cleaned up on of the rear sides a little got the filler down a bit and cleaned off the surface rust.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1994.jpg)
I also started to make a lip for the front arches, made of small plates, bit by bit. It's not finished yet.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1987.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1990.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1992.jpg)
Clearance...
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1997.jpg)
Then I noticed there wasn't enough clearance on the front of the front tyres at a certain angle
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF1995.jpg)
so....
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/fronts/more/DSCF2001.jpg)
I've made some closing plates to cover that up, its much better now clearance wise. I don't know how that's happened, I'm sure I checked it before, I think its just one of those things.
Believe it or not that lot took the best part of 8 hours.
More tomorrow.
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You doing bloody well now keep it up I am loving the photo's bugger about the clearance isssue
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very nice quick question where did u get the slide out awning i am thinking of either going to get a side annexe made up for me van or one of those slide out awnings i like the size of yours
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The awning is a Fiamma. It came with the van. The're not cheap to buy new but they are so easy to put in and out in no time at all its worth it.
I adapted one of the winding hooks for use in my cordless drill so now its even easier ;D
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whats the length of it
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about 12 ft.
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The headgasket went on my SJ last week so things have been slow on the van.
Well, I got myself a runabout to keep me mobile while I sort the SJ engine. I already had a engine in the pipelines, stripped and cleaned, My pistons arrived and I dropped it all off at the machine shop on the weekend to be bored and crank ground.
My runabout, £350. 100k miles, 1.4l
Needs attention though, since getting it on tuesday last week its had 2 new tyres, trackrod end, bit of tidying of the front where it had been bumped, sloppy gear linkage sorted and its getting a new fuel tank as soon as it turns up, old on is leaking.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2093.jpg)
But anyway, on with the van work....
Made some templates and started cutting and bending.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2091.jpg)
Then made the metal parts.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2095.jpg)
Then the centre part. (not as straight forward as it looks dues to the very gentle curve in the bumper)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2096.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2094.jpg)
Then clamped it all up to the bumper and welded the three parts together.
It looks totally badass if I do say so myself.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2098.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2101.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2103.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/valance/DSCF2102.jpg)
Its still just clamped on at the moment, theres more to do yet.
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shit yeah that looks cool
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veeeeeeeeeery nice bit o metalwork sutes. . couldnt help but notice the sky colour in background of piccys... that is just sooo pommy ;D makes me remenisce why i left n headed downunder ;) seriously tho lovely work but.
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ha, yeah it was overcast that day but its been pretty good for april though.
I dont blame you for leaving, most people here are uptight, money obsessed maniacs always rushing round and wasting their lives on crappy stuff like flatscreen tvs.
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Suterman, since you were doing all that work, I would have lost the plastic bumper ends and made it all metallic, welded together in 1 piece..
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I see your point but I've done it now....
I got some stuff done today, its been difficult fitting work on the van recently with my work schedule and also fitting in with welder availibilty and not being able to grind or weld with polishing going on etc....
But Saturdays seem to work well for both of us so I am making the best of it and going back later after tea.
I was running out of Mojo and stamina for the job, I've done most of the larger bits of fabrication its just the fiddley edges and fininishing off to do...
Today I trimmed the rear arches to their final level.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/DSCF2159.jpg)
I asked Alex for his advice on where to end the arch, I added some metal to swoop the bottom of the acrh rearwards...
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/DSCF2163.jpg)
And the other side...
As plans were changing I cut this off.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/DSCF2174.jpg)
And cut some bedford metal out to make room for a new flatish closing plate. Thats as far as I got today, I'm going back in a bit.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/DSCF2179.jpg)
Also fitted one of the old steels to see how different they were...
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/DSCF2177.jpg)
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looking good I like the steel wheels why don't you keep them on LOL
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yeah, hah!
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Word off warning Suterman get onto that surface rust pronto youll finde it's under the bog as well bog it as pouras as and you wont know it's under there you will paint over it & you will have trouble down the track Cheers Reid
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wow, awsome job suterman,
that looks exellent.
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Cheers, dont worry about the rust. all the removable parts will be gritblasted, the arches will be finished back by hand and treated. The whole van will be in for a low baker to dry the filler out before any proper filling and shaping starts.
Meanwhile.....
I have finished the fabrication of the arches today with just some finishing off here and there, I wont put up any more pics of that because they all look the same in the photos from before really.
I started on the body repair, I removed the rear doors, to look at the rusty bits of panel behind the hinges. I had done some filling during last summer over some old fillerdone by the previous owner, my bodywork skills leave a lot to be desired.
The worst was the offside with bad rust underneath and below the hinges.
(last summer, the rear ns lower hinge situation before I stuffed it with filler)
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(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/no%20bumper/DSC05633.jpg)
It seems that water under the hinge, gets in around the screws and between the outer skin and bracing and the inevitable happens.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/DSCF2320.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/DSCF2317.jpg)
Perhaps I went over the top but I didnt want any rust left so I cut out the outer skin on all the rear hinges and cleaned up the bracing to clean metal, I have sprayed them with zinc primer and covered the rear over with polythene until monday night.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/DSCF2323.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/DSCF2326.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/DSCF2327.jpg)
On a lighter note, I discovered this charger near to the mains hookup socket. I am gussing its to run the 12v circuit, there is also a 240 domestic double socket under the bed (that needs replacing) I will have a look at the wiring later to find out what is going on whith it all
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/DSCF2321.jpg)
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Heya, bit of a while since I updated, I've been busy building this new engine for my suzuki SJ. things are not going too well, I've been delayed by a bent rod that only showed up when I put it all back together after machining and it would not turn over when I torqued the big end cap up, Also the (low cost) pistons I got are poorly made, there is a variation in the pin/crown height on each piston, the worst one being + 1.2mm over what it should be which pretty much means they are well below acceptable tolerance (as far as I'm concerned). (sigh) I can mill them on my little lathe, I'm determined to get it right.
Anyway.......
Onto the van,
I've spent the last two evenings working on the rear door I dented last summer parallel parking into a space that had a bollard in the middle of it for some reason.
You can see it here.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/DSC06223.jpg)
It was quite awkward as the point of impact was right over the bit where the inner panel met with the outer but with some hammering using a drft and a dolly it straightened up ok
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/rear%20door/DSCF2463.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/rear%20door/DSCF2466.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/rear%20door/DSCF2467.jpg)
Then started putting some filler in and shaping with an 80 grit on a block, ran out of time tonight, it needs one more skim and some careful shaping but its coming on now.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/rear%20door/DSCF2484.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/rear%20door/DSCF2487.jpg)
Have a bonus pic or two,
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/rear%20door/DSCF2483.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/Body%20repair/rear%20door/DSCF2475.jpg)
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nice work boss!!! keep up the good work!!! stay on here for motivation , every now and then someone does something to kick you off again......well done all
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It should really start moving any day now, just have to wait for this other car that is nearly done to move out so make room in the bodyshop, it should be about 3 weeks for the paintwork from then before its MOT time and then we'll (my father in law is a carpenter/joiner) fit out the inside just in time for the summer break and nice road trip! ;D ;D ;D
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More slow progress,
Things have been slow recently.
Its been hot so I have enjoyed the weather, trying not to mind that both of my toys are out of action at the time I should be using them most.
On a positive vehicular note, the Corsa passed its MOT with only a small patch needing welding in the sill (which I carried out hastily on the drive in time for a free retest)
Unnecessary summer garden pic with retro pillar drill content.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2611.jpg)
Regarding the CF,
I have had the front bumper shot blasted to remove all the rust and paint. Also the removable front corner parts and valance were given the same treatment.
Bumper before...
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2434.jpg)
And after....
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2524.jpg)
I also got all the paint off the plastic bits.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2502.jpg)
Another job was to fix the BEDFORD badge from the rear door to the grill, the grill was damaged after scrotes nicked the MURVI badge when the van lived with its previous owner.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2501.jpg)
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2500.jpg)
Then I put all the cleaned parts back in place on the van so I could clamp up the valance to the bumper so it and the corner pieces all lined up with the van. Then I took them all off again so the valance could be welded to the bumper. (no pic of that)
Lastly so far, I got the awning off, it was a bit of a bitch as the steel locking screws had seized solid in the aluminum brackets holding the awning to the van.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2623.jpg)
I had to cut the screws and their surrounding brackets away to get anywhere. nevermind though there is still plenty of bracket material left to drill for more screws.
I gave the awning case a bit of a scrub and decided to get the clamps off as they are rusty, the clamps hold the awning shut when driving and they would stick out like a sore thumb looking like they do when the van is done so I'm going to clean them up and paint them.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/arches/more%20and%20more%20and%20more/DSCF2625.jpg)
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in paint!!!!
still got the roof and doors to do but it's looking sweet!!!
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2718.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2719.jpg)
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Nice work, good to see
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hey mate, you've done well!
i really like the shape of those flares
also those tail lights look surprisingly good. are they standard cf2 or aftermarket?
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thanks for the comments, the tail lights are factory cf2 ones.
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A lot of faffing about later.............
Mirrors done and fitted... (damn focus!)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2949.jpg)
Rear bumpers refitted.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2948.jpg)
Bumper and corner pieces painted and undersealed and fitted (trial fittnig for now I will use more bolts and some seam sealer tomorrow)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2946.jpg)
Along with grill, trim piece under grill and indicators.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2945.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2943.jpg)
Its not perfect, buts its as I imagined it would be so I'm happy.
Just got a few more bits to fit and its MOT time on monday!!! (Yikes!)
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Very impressive and inspiring thanks for sharing ;D
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looking great there suterman
Warren
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nice lookin LWB suterman,
ive got the exact same mags on a holden 1 tonner i just bought.
mine need good clean though.the tyres are near new thank the gods.
my valve stems are mounted differently though.
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll265/marty23121961/P1015357.jpg)
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll265/marty23121961/P1015356.jpg)
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll265/marty23121961/P1015358.jpg)
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im a fan of deep dish jelly beans marty.. well done
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nice slots, lets see some better pics of the truck.
Today I fitted the corner bits properly today, fitted the rear door handle (though I'm sure I'm missing a little rubber footprint of the handle to go between the handle and doorskin)
Took the van outside, cleaned out all the junk from inside, swept it out and blew the majority if the dust out with the airline. Rinsed the outside off and sponged it down with plain water.
There is some tidying up to do still
Some overspray here and there, more sealant needed round the side window (cosmetic only) Screws in the awning, awning anti rattle clamps (need plating) number plates need renewing (again, cosmetic)
It also needs new door cards and all the interior door furniture refitting.
Underlay beneath footwell rubber lining.
New carpet in rear.
New rear cabinets and rear wheel well covers (bed/rear seat base) incorperating immersion heater, sink and gas/tool locker)
New linings on rear doors and side door to replace worn lining made of carpet.
Front seats re-uphulstored.
before
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/bedford%20murvi/first%20go/DSC05130.jpg)
after
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2962.jpg)
Having a clearout...
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2955.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2956.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/DSCF2957.jpg)
Interior after months in a bodyshop with dust getting in everywhere.
I have cleaned most of it out now.
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far out hasnt the pannel shop ever heard of masking some sheets of plastic over the removed doors etc,
that bloody dust gets in everywhere.
and creates a nightmare trying to clean it all back out.
me thinks prevention is better than cure.
big difference , looks great now,
bet ur wrapped.
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they look like marine swivel seat bases? would they pass engineers I wonder bfc sell them
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1 week in.
There is some rubbing on the fronts with a certain steering angle when braking (T Junctions) and extreme suspension articulation (potholes) no worries, I can alter things a bit.
Braking on a slight turn (approaching a T junction)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF3005.jpg)
(Pothole)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF3002.jpg)
Meanwhile....
Things have been moving along on the interior. My Father in law, Dennis, is a lifelong carpenter and joiner, he has a nice woodwork shop, this job is a walk in the park for him, he is enjoying it and I letting him know how I want things and helping where possible.
Dennis doing his thing...
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF2987.jpg) (He's shy)
Me helping where possible...
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF2986.jpg)
My lovely wife, Ruth, who with the help of her Mum has sourced the carpet and door card fabrics.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF2990.jpg)
The best plan is to reproduce what was already there asa far as the bed base goes, I saved all the old stuff so it is easy for Dennis to reproduce. This is good because we can use all the original cushions.
This is what we have so far, at the moment it's all held together with the two props between the units. I need to paint/stain it and screw it all together at some point and cut some holes for hook up power socket and heater vents etc...
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF2991.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF2997.jpg)
cabinets are to follow.
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BTW, here is a closeup of the seat pedestal, I think I'm gonna get them off and check/clean up the floor panel/base plate.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20paint/week%201/DSCF3011.jpg)
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those are sold here through BCF
but im not sure how leagle theyd be.
merlin?
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They're good and solid and the seatbelt is anchored to the floor so I can srr there being a problem, When I get the out I will have a closer look at how they go together and post up here if you like.
In the mean time we have been working on the interior some more, I reproduced the side cabinet behind the passenger seat.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3024.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3026.jpg)
Ruth got on with making copies of the door cards, the old ones are covered in woolen fabric fitted by the conversion firm, it is past its best and very dated.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3021.jpg)
Under the old wollen fabric was the original 80 covering looking like new.
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3022.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3023.jpg)
Newly made card
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3031.jpg)
Kittah likes the stack of cushions we put in the lounge for a while..
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3018.jpg)
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(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3039.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3038.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3049.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3054.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3041.jpg)
(http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww143/suterman102/van%20interior/DSCF3053.jpg)
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(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSCF3058.jpg)
Took her out for a run to see some friends.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/DSCF3076.jpg)
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looks good eh well done
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WOW, its been a while since my last post here, The van has served us proud, we have used it a fair bit and put 20,000 miles on her since we found her. The paint took a battering and rust started to appear in certain areas (bottom of windscreen and steps) the tyres banged on the arch flares every now and again.
So after 5 years of British weather the Van is back in the workshop for a tart up. It started of as "just a tidy of below the belt line and rust" and developed into a full respray, I ended up cutting off the front arches altogether and made new ones which allow a bit more clearance and flare out more than the first ones, they are also a bit bigger at the rear of the front tyres to make them more effective. I've been working on it since late december doing all I can to prep it for the paint job, going mad with jenoilte and 2 part primer, now its in the hands of the experts and just gone into primer today (pics tomorrow)
I've hit on a major stumbling block in the form of the window seals on the front doors. I contacted a company that make seals and sent them some samples of the remains of the seals I have but alas, they contacted me today and told me they can't help unless I want to order 1000's of metres of seals. Is there anywhere in the world that can supply the seals I need?
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(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/suterman101/van%20work%202016/DSCN0766_zpski64wj45.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/suterman101/media/van%20work%202016/DSCN0766_zpski64wj45.jpg.html)
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ps....
In the mean time since my last posts here I got back into Volvos with the purchase of this 1991 240, complete with B230ft 2.3 turbo) engine, lowered, chipped etc.
(http://i558.photobucket.com/albums/ss21/suterman103/240%20gl/DSCF3494.jpg) (http://s558.photobucket.com/user/suterman103/media/240%20gl/DSCF3494.jpg.html)
Decided that a Volvo B230e engine will be nice in the bedford, almost double the power of the CIH in it at the moment, coupled with a 4 speed autobox should make for good cruising speed, already purchased an engine and box for only £150, currently overhauling engine, to be fitted next winter.
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yeah wow its has been a while..enjoyed looking at your pics....
so will you have plenty of room for your volvo engine?
keep us posted with plenty of pics of the conversion!
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well I've made some measurements and the the and old engine and gearbox are pretty much the same size, plus the volvo engine is fitted leaned over about 20 or so degrees which sort of helps with the fitting in the van I think but until I get the old unit out and offer up the new one theres no way to tell for sure
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Hey, I'm doing the converison now, so far its taken about a month, I'm self employed so can choose to spend as much time as I like on the van, so far I've put about 4-5 days a week into it. Getting there now, I refurbed the engine with new seals and gaskets, had the head refurbed.
(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/suterman101/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN2099_zpsp0bnkr83.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/suterman101/media/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN2099_zpsp0bnkr83.jpg.html)
End result will be a 130 hp 4 speed auto with .69 :1 top gear (good for motorway cruising)
Things are going ok with the swap, I had to cut about 100mm out of the passenger footwell which I'm happy with.
couple of pics here....
(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/suterman101/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN0970_zpsmrv4tjxc.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/suterman101/media/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN0970_zpsmrv4tjxc.jpg.html)
(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/suterman101/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN1975_zpsfny7mm8z.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/suterman101/media/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN1975_zpsfny7mm8z.jpg.html)
More pics there if you look at the album
http://s391.photobucket.com/user/suterman101/library/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine?sort=3&page=1
More detail in the videos....
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfZXhvdI7YEz703lcnAU1kQ
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Great progress!
Great pics keep them coming,
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another update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJg809pJNKE
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Looks great.
Be sure to paint it inside n out or galvanise it so it dosent rust.
Also be carefull putting an aircleaner down there in case it rains.
A lot of water comes off the front wheels driving in heavy rain.
Cheers marty
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Thanks, I have wire wheeled off a lot of rust from the one side where it wasn't undersealed when new, treated, primed, painted and undersealed but the van is pretty good for rust overall. I got an air filter now.
(http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/suterman101/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN2195_zpsqualjrls.jpg) (http://s391.photobucket.com/user/suterman101/media/bedford%20cf%20with%20volvo%20engine/DSCN2195_zpsqualjrls.jpg.html)
Anyway, the van is running as of yesterday, initial testing shows good results.
https://youtu.be/LNDjngh5rzQ