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Technical => Miscellaneous Technical => Topic started by: ShaneJ on August 03, 2008, 04:59:21 PM
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Just wondering where you guys with gas have your tanks mounted and what size they are?
Thanks
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On the Chev, I had 2 slim line 60litre tanks, mounted between the chassis rail and side step on either side.
On Kath's beddie we have a 60 litre tank mounted at the back between the diff and bumper. Looking at changing the one tank two 2 slimlines in November when they have to be certified again. Kath wants to go all gas and rip out the existing petrol tank, and put both tanks either side like the chev, as at the moment it hangs down very low and looks ugly. I want to move the petrol tank to the back where the gas tank now sits.
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Yeah I want to go straight gas in my van too, but I want to have at least 100 litres available.
Post some pictures up once you get the 2 slim tanks fitted.
Thanks
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Hi Shane, not sure exactly how big the tanks will be, but the biggest I can get in the better. Have to move the battery box, and see what else I can safely move to make way for them. Have to get a tune up on Alien8 soon so I will ask the gas man for his opinion.
Julian
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Let us know what you find out mate. I want to fit a 302 in my van but with todays petrol prices its kinda off putting so I'm hoping I can go straight gas.
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Just a thought I think the Govt are giving a rebate on fitting gas to older vehicles. Be worth a visit to a gas fitter to find out how much but I think it was about $1500. So after the rebate it should cost about $1500 or close to.
Julian
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The rebate is $2000 which is another reason I'm keen on going gas ;D
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From memory when I last asked the gas man about the tanks, I think we were able to get a 60 litre in each side, but the battery had to be moved and the fuel tank had to be removed as well.
I am going to cut the bottom of the doors and put running boards on and then the battery will go in where the step used to be. If thats any help.
Julian
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120L would be nice and moving the batteries is no big problem. Sound like 2 tanks might be the way to go.
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They can make tanks in most sizes so there should be a slimline to fit. Let me know if you find out first. ;D
Julian
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The rebate is $2000 which is another reason I'm keen on going gas ;D
In WA the state govt also gives a $1000 rebate, so we get $3000 back in total! :)
And my battery is already relocated into the engine bay so all good - will be getting gas soon :)
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Hi Adam S, Already have gas on Alien8, and the gas converter is just under the heater box on the passenger side and there's no room on the drivers side, because of the water bottle, horn, and not enough room to get a battery in around the brake master cylinder and brake lines. WHERE DID YOU PUT THE BATTERY. I couldn't find any more room.
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iv seen them mounted under the drivers seat (floor) with a trap door into the wheel well where you put your foot Some beddys have ID plates there but theres plenty of room.
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Hi Adam S, Already have gas on Alien8, and the gas converter is just under the heater box on the passenger side and there's no room on the drivers side, because of the water bottle, horn, and not enough room to get a battery in around the brake master cylinder and brake lines. WHERE DID YOU PUT THE BATTERY. I couldn't find any more room.
Mines right at the front in the passenger side front corner of the engine bay
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Hi Adam, Yeah thats where they put the gas converter. No room for anything else. I will end up making a place for it in the front passenger side step. Have to shorten the doors first and put on some type of running board to step up into the van. That shopuld be next years project, after the Van Nats in Geelong at Easter.
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yeh in talking to roadworthy men they tell me that its not so wise to put the converter below the heater box incase you have an accident and the converter gets smashed and leaks gas.. on the other hand at least it doesnt get covered in oil as apposed to under the drivers side floor..
if you ring around you can find someone that certifys gas conversions.. just like if you were to do the work on your vehicle for a roadworthy.. you do the work for gas conversion then pick up the $2000 rebate after you have paid the gas man $70 to check it all over. not a bad little money earner huh.
the only problem is gathering information on gas conversions.. when i was first getting into it could not find any info on the web ay.. ive now done 1 conversion starting on my second this week..
cheers
ben
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i wonder if its allowed if you cut a hole in the floor to mount the gas tank half in the van half out.. like a sort of extension of the wheel inner tub or something.. get rid of the petrol tank and put it half in so that you dont loose much space inside but dont have the danger of the tank being so low to the ground.
any ideas on this one?
ben
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Ben
If you want to cut holes in the floor to mount the tank lower then you would have to make a cover to seal the back so that no fumes can enter the cabin area, you will also need to have a protective skin around the texposed bottom of the tank.
Warren
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oh yeh that makes sense huh.. sound fine..
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There's a few things to beware of before you do it yourself . Check out the guidelines:
http://www.ausindustry.gov.au/library/FINAL_LPG_CustomerGuidelines_V_2_11_15_02_0820080215014644.pdf
Two points that hit me straight away.......
1/ it has to be a private vehicle, Not sole traders, partners, etc, - sell it to the relevant spouse so it's registered in her/his name before conversion.
2 You can only apply if you can provide proof that you have paid to have the system installed. It is not sufficient to supply an invoice for parts and a compliance certificate.
You can install it yourself if you can prove that you paid yourself and provide reciept with ABN and other req'd details
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oh never herd of those rules..
well im doing conversion at the moment so well see how we go.
ive had friends that have done thier own conversion and got the rebate. hmmm if i dont get the rebate ill be annoyed but its better than paying someone to do what i can do myself..
ben
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I have a 90 liter gas tank between the diff and bumper which is level with the diff. but they'd mounted it only to the sheet metal floor which after time fatigued and almost dropped out! Scary..
I made up some thick plates for it to have better support. But 90l goes a bloody long way, over 500k!
I'm running a 186 btw..
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I'm looking at running a late 5L(302) and I'd like to get 500ks before filling up.
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ive got 2 x 100 litre tanks mounted either side of the tray ;D
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ive got 2 x 100 litre tanks mounted either side of the tray ;D
The ash tray? :o ???
:P
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yeh theres soo much room beside the ash tray.. ;D
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Hi Adam S, Already have gas on Alien8, and the gas converter is just under the heater box on the passenger side and there's no room on the drivers side, because of the water bottle, horn, and not enough room to get a battery in around the brake master cylinder and brake lines. WHERE DID YOU PUT THE BATTERY. I couldn't find any more room.
be carefull mounting batteries inside cab, they give off a gas when charging,
which is not good to breath in and is conbustable.
batteries can explode as well. ive had a few explode, 1 was my own stupid fault= never put leads with sparkplugs in on top of battery and turn motor over to see if they spark. ouch, acid stings when u get it in ur eyes and all over yourself.
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i got gas in the LWB 350 chev, 2 tanks 100 ltr inside along drivers side and 80 ltr under back, some one spent lots gettin it installed. its got no petrol tank, but still got the carby and still an option, i might make a small slimline tank to go where orig one was.
gas is the way to go though, with petrol prices.
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Hi Marty, Welcome back to Beddy mayhem! Would it be possible to take some pics of the gas system on your van? Mainly the carby setup amd the location of the mixer. I'm running a 350 chev also and want to convert it but don't know what bits I need. If you could give me some part numbers or makes of the bits used on yours. Don't worry about the tanks mine is already mounted, but the rest of the gear confuses me.
Oh if anyone else knows the bits I'm after feel free to let me know.
Thanks in advance.
Clance
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ben !!!!!
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Thanks Marty, they give me some idea about mounting the mixer and cut out. I gather your saying it still has the carby under that thingy under the air cleaner?
maybe chuck the photos in your gallery?
Cheers,
Clance
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That's a pretty sweet set up and now that I see it I think it might work well for me with 2 tanks on the inside and then I can build a bed frame to sit on top with drawers underneath.
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i have two 65-70lt tanks.
how do they set them up?
do they have like a balance pipe between the two or do you fill them independently? do you run two gauges?
after reading that ben is fitting his own i have to ask is this legal? (no offense ben) ;D
or can you mount everything at home (settle fellas im talking gas tanks and mixers ;D ) and just get the gas fitter to run the copper?
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i had gas but i took something for it!
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gday i run 2 tanks straight gas, 90l longways behind drivers seat and 50l behind diff. spare wheel goes in petrol tank mounts. 140l gets around 750kms with a 202 and trimatic. separate fillers with a switch between the two... ive got photos in my gallery.
take it easy.
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thanks westy12, having a look.
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my swb has a 110litre tank, the afl lets it fill up to 80liters
this tank fits longways inside, drivers side between drivers seat and rear wheel arch
still have dual fuel
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Just wondering where you guys with gas have your tanks mounted and what size they are?
Thanks
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Drivers side gas tank 55 litre
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passenger side gas tank 57 litre
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underside view of both tanks
They both hang a bit lower than I would have liked but that was the only I could get the capacity I wanted
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you don't have a problem with the exhaust being so close Mr whippy? tripy looking van too :o
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It is not as close as it looks able, so not really an issue for the tanks.
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I have 2 LPG tanks and 2 petrol tanks, I can carry a total of 200 ltrs in gas and 160 ltrs in petrol.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shazbot_02/petroltanks.jpg)
both petrol tanks can be seen in this shot.
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shazbot_02/bottomLPGtank.jpg)
this is the bottom LPG tank. It holds 80 ltrs
(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n126/shazbot_02/topLPGtank1.jpg)
this is the top LPG tank. It holds 120 ltrs and is off set to the right to allow for a 25ltr water barrel and also balances the weight out.
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Nice setup. Is that the standard bedford tank on the right? ???
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yep
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Are you sure? The other tank pictured must be like a tardis if the van can carry 160L of fuel ???
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the one on the left came out in some lwbs or I have seen allot of those tanks put in.
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We have only ever filled them once and we put in 160ltrs.
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after talking to Australian gas research i was looking at the $1400 mark to get the full s350 set up and with the b2 mixer and cut off valves ect.ect.
while i was going to go with the vk inlet manifold i had converted to a red motor but i would have had to make cuts into the fire wall... i happened to have a search on ebay... and to my luck a entire system was up for grabs with 2 days left with the s350 system sitting at $200 and a Redline Torker II Inlet manifold sitting at $20.
long story short, i got both items for $377.50 and saved $1000...
(http://www.buga.com.au/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=23695&g2_serialNumber=2)
i cant mount the mixer where it is in the photo but im sure it will sit fine under the heater...
the only other trouble is the s350 sits hard up against the engine bay and the blue dizzy is almost touching the other side... with all the work i had done to the motor it will apparently have a bit of wiggle to it so i might be looking at one of bens v8 engine covers to give me a inch either side...
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Able
Have you thought of modifying the existing cover just where it needs it, putting bulges in, this would allow you to keep as much leg room as possible.
The camper has a V8 cover, and I have no room to put my left leg out straight - it can be a real pain (literally)
Warren
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good point there warren! if i cut out the floor where i need to and match that with the cover it would be enough and when its all carpeted it will look stock anyway.
yep... sounds good thanx.
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mount he converter as close to the throttle body as possible
the shorter the vapour hose the better....
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mount he converter as close to the throttle body as possible
the shorter the vapour hose the better....
that make sense... will look if i can mount it vertically where its sitting in the pic. im sure a bracket can be made up for it.
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Old Holden engines never die, (even when
10 Psi tries to snipe em lol).
Maybe you might have been wondering how Mr Whippy has been doing 3 years after being boosted, answer is juust fine thank you :-)
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i get a page cannot be displayed from that link ? is it just me ?
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page says contents unavailable
maybe moved????????
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Sorry guys that link was no good.
I've uploaded it to youtube now.
Turbo CF Bedford night drive by (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz0dOjkZ0OM#)
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Mr Whippy ahhh what r u guys on :D ??? didnt get the point of that video....i would much rather see a video of a daylight run or of under the bonnet...all i saw was some small red lights n a few white lights flash by LOL
Bugas will be bugas i guess
I do like the sound of a beddie with a turbo...been trying for ages to get ray to turbo mine...even a supercharger.....oneday maybe ;)
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Oh yeah to answer the subject question
....im running straight gas from a 140 litre tank thru a v6 vn throttle body on a 202 blue or black and she flies!
120k easy up n down the freeway all day long...back to 100 ks on steep hills :D
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so your running vk efi manifold....
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i thought that ment carby manifold with the throttle body fitted to it.
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so your running vk efi manifold....
nope were running standard commodore carbi manifold
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on a blue motor too ;D
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so it downdraft.....
efi would run better